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Black Americans and Liberty

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OddsOn, May 5, 2010.

  1. Steve_Francis_rules

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    I like how in the article, he blames government for slavery and Jim Crow, but even while mentioning the Civil Rights Act, he does not mention that it was an act of government forcing the end of those institutions. It's as if the horrors of slavery ended because the people rebelled against the oppressive government that was doing the enslaving.
     
  2. OddsOn

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    Now that would qualify as a racist comment by most logical standards.... :eek:
     
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    I'm interested in purchasing a few lab puppies. How do I reach you?
     
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  4. TECH

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    I think his main point was that you shouldn't blindly love and follow government, simply if government does something you like or agree with. Some government acts may be just, and many others detrimental. He seems to question the vast majority of African Americans' loyalty to one party, and each other, possibly stemmed from some sort of dependence, or undying distrust of the other side.
    Perhaps he's calling for more independence, rather than depenence, both in party and community.
     
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  5. Tom Bombadillo

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    Malcolm X had the right idea.
     
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  6. JuanValdez

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    I was with him until he got to wealth distribution. It could be rhetorically effective for people who would like to believe him, but a gross oversimplification of a complicated subject.
     
  7. langal

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    I think that is largely debatable in any society.
     
  8. OmegaSupreme

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    rachel?
     
  9. Qball

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    I don't think anyone has asked this question yet but....OddsOn, what is your opinion on the article?
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Articles like this are so damn stupid because they suggest most black people are on welfare or something.

    Most black people get out and work and try to make a living just like everyone else. how do most black people believe in wealth distribution. because we want better funding for schools in our neighborhoods, which isn't even as much of an issue because so many more blacks are moving into surburbs.
     
  11. Rocketman1981

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    I'm not sure what the statistics are but isn't around 40% of welfare recipients African American when they make up around 15% of the US population?

    That is a 270% over-representation based on percentage of population so most may be an appropriate statement.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    do you understand the meaning of "most"
     
  13. Rocketman1981

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    40% of welfare recipients are African American.
    15% of the Population is African American.

    Does anyone know what percentage of African Americans recieve welfare?

    I agree with the violence issue in these neighborhoods. I feel bad for families and children that are terrorized by gangs and thugs in their own backyard.

    As for schools, that is a bigger problem. I think if someone doesn't want to learn than get them out of the school as they adversely affect the others around them that truly want to and will end up paying for them in future.

    I just wish that the perception of success was different. If the only percieved avenue is sports/entertainment etc. than statistically its impossible and you've got people that have dedicated their lives to something with nothing to show for it.

    Why is the guy that finishes high school and college and works as an accountant or in an office seen as a hero. Its sad and I don't know what can be done about it to find attainable, sustainable goals for people so they don't end up in the percentages we are describing.
     
  14. TreeRollins

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    Meh.. I think Thomas Sowell already fits that description.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    a higher percentage of blacks are poor than white, is that really a revelation or something that shouldn't be expected. black people are only 50 years removed from legalized discrimination.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    only about 2% of the entire us population receive welfare benefits
     
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    I read 'income redistribution' as taxes, not welfare. Possibly taxes to address some of the government negligence the author brings up in the first part of the article. I'm wondering if there was a big middle bit of the article that was edited out -- because his conclusions seemed so disconnected from his intro and discussion.
     
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    Poverty rates in 2006 were statistically unchanged for non-Hispanic Whites (8.2 percent), Blacks (24.3 percent), and Asians (10.3 percent) from 2005. The poverty rate decreased for Hispanics (20.6 percent in 2006, down from 21.8 percent in 2005).

    http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty06/pov06hi.html
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    Nearly 25% of African Americans live below the poverty level, the highest percentage of any demographic group. That is why they make up a large percentage of the people who receive welfare. Of course, the fact that they only got equal rights codified in law a little over 40 years ago contributes to the reason they are over represented in poverty statistics and it doesn't help that even today, a civil rights leader who marched with MLK and happens to be a Congressman can be called a n****r on his way to work and the people who make up the group in which the racist was hidden will do nothing but ask for proof of the racist name calling.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    That is a good question but that is a question that applies to American society in general and not just African-Americans in particular.

    Consider we are on a site dedicated to a sports team that features has players of several ethnicities. We aren't on a site dedicated to celebrating accountants.
     

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