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Birthright Citizenship

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jan 21, 2025.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    • In 2019, ICE deported 27,980 people with U.S.-born children 2
    • From 2013 to 2018, ICE deported more than 231,000 people who reported having at least one U.S. citizen child 2
    • As of 2018, approximately 4.4 million U.S. citizen children under the age of 18 lived with at least one undocumented parent 2
    • Between 2011 and 2013, as many as half a million U.S. citizen children experienced the deportation of at least one parent 2
    These numbers indicate that parental deportations affecting U.S. citizen children are a widespread and ongoing issue. The frequency of these deportations has fluctuated over the years, often influenced by changes in immigration policies and enforcement priorities. However, the data consistently shows that thousands of families face this situation annually, impacting a significant number of U.S. citizen children.
    It seems to count the situation of Dreamers, who arrived here when they were children.

    I personally think if this was The Way then, then it should be The Way now. My parents were on an educational visa and they won the greencard lottery before it expired. Opportunity is as much a factor as earning success.

    It's a shitty situation to have your parents deported while you're a minor forced to become an adult, but the principle itself is much like social con's approach to abortion. The child is innocent.

    As for "Birth Tourism" where the loophole is blatantly exploited, those families usually have the money and means to buy citizenship. It's more of a card in the pocket for dual citizenship than a humanitarian crisis....
     
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    I think most politicians are corrupt, even Trump..... But to flat out defend a career politician with many reports and track record of corruption the way he does is very weird.... There is only one person I defend like that despite recorded proof that he ain't MJ and that's Sengun....
     
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    gonna disagree with you there, meme brother.

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    I think that Trump wants the Swedish Bikini Team and little else.

    Fun Fact:
    Europe aka home of the acceptable White People do not have birth rates keeping up with their death rates ... Europe does not have a surplus of White People for the taking.
     
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    Why thou?
     
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    Honestly, I'd like to see both happen but neither will within the next four years.
     
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    Maybe we should regularly (every 2 years or so?) reconsider the cap and increase or decrease it. I dunno.

    What we shouldn't do is... elect a person (R or D) to be the chief of our executive branch of gov't, and then expect that person to NOT enforce immigration law. We should do the exact opposite - we should always demand that our president enforces our legal immigration caps and immigration laws.

    IF (God forbid) a group of people illegally crosses our Southen border and detonates an explosive device at a stadium or other large collection of US citizens, how quickly would we point our finger at our president for failing to protect us? Let's not allow it to come to that.
     
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    This is partisan dribble, right? BTW ... I think we all should clutch our pearls ... and loudly proclaim ... THERE IS A CRISIS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. HOW OH HOW CAN THE US SURVIVE FOUR YEARS OF TRUMP!!!

    And how many of these "illegals" pumped out some kids?

    If Trump wants immediate action, he can always follow through with his threat to deport 10+ million illegals.
     
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    SCWs say one thing and do another.

    SCWs advocate against illegal immigration ... but the SCWs who own small businesses likely employ as many as illegals as possible, right?
     
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    No, it's fact. Between October 2019 and June 2024, US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) reported just under 11 million border encounters nationwide, and that number is actually much lower than the actual quantity of people who illegally entered the US without incurring a border encounter.
     
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    yet. The next one will be.
     
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    pretty funny to see the Pro-Life party argue that the unborn have a right to be born, but then no birthright after the fact :cool:
     
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    If a lower court upholds the decision then the Supreme court will not hear the case.
     
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    It is getting appealed all the way to the SC no matter what. Trump's DOJ will fight all the way, and whatever organizations back the lawsuit will do so as well.
     
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    The US and Canada are the only two highly developed countries in the world to do birthright citizenship. Although, it is the rule of law for all the americas save Colombia is believe. Only about a handful of countries do it outside of the Americas.

    It creates a unique system that leads to some child citizens without the parents being citizens or legal residents. Its particularly incentivized with the US being a high income country in a world with poverty.

    IMO, either make the parents citizens (or legal residents until the child is at least 18), or scrap it (not retroactively).
     
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    If im a capitalist wanting to maximize my return on investment by creating a indentured servitude class that is not protected by US labor protections I'd want the later. More undocumented humans I can exploit so I can afford the yacht my buddy got last year to one up him.
     
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    Seems like a relevant thread for this reminder from history about how in the early '30s we up and deported a whole bunch of US citizens to Mexico for simple white supremacy: The Deportation Campaigns of the Great Depression | HISTORY

    I don't think this is actually the time to reimagine who should be a citizen. It already says in the Constitution. Maybe that was a bad idea (I don't think so, but one might), like several other ideas in the Constitution. But it's there and must be respected. Now is the time that we insist on faithfully observing the Constitution. Trump didn't propose an amendment. If he proposes an amendment, maybe we should talk about it. But, neither he nor anyone else has proposed an amendment. I could have respected an amendment proposal. Instead, he insulted the Constitution by making an EO that was in obvious contradiction to the plain reading of the amendment and to a century's worth of judicial agreement on its meaning. And he's going to try to push thru the SCOTUS an interpretation of "all persons born in the United States are citizens" to somehow not mean all persons born in the United States.
     
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    If the migrant worker came in legally, then the child should be a citizen. The process for letting in more migrant workers in because of labor supply is a different issue. Like I said, I'm all for immigration. I just don't think it should be a free for all. The government should prioritize people that we need at the time.

    This is what I believe should happen. This is not my opinion of the current law and what Trump is doing. I think Trump is a total ass.
     
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    I agree with you that IF 11 million people illegally immigrated over the last 4 years that is a serious issue.

    At no time over the last 4 years did either the Rs or the Ds have a serious discussion about solving the illegal immigration. The Rs did seriously fund raise over the issue. And there was a bi-partisan immigration bill in the Senate that the Rs supports as well as a handful of reluctant Ds, which Trump sh*t canned (which shows that Trump was not serious and just wanted the issue to run and fund raise on).
     
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