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Birthright Citizenship

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jan 21, 2025.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    Why should someone on a tourist visa be able to have their kid be a citizen but not a migrant worker? Makes no sense to me.

    In reality - we have a population problem. We NEED more citizens to enter the workforce and are hitting bad shortages as the number of adults citizens is dwindling.

    This isn't about illegal immigrants, it's about color or culture - the need for more white immigrants over brown. Our economy will collapse if we don't keep having population growth. Anti-immigrant positions are a sign of a country in decline.
     
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  2. Salvy

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    Looks like I'm gone.... There is still internet in El Salvador thou...

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  3. AB

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    What is the magnitude of this issue? I am genuinely curious.
     
  4. No Worries

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    There is a great divide between what Trump says and does. Trump promised to get rid of birthright citizenship, without saying how and who would be impacted, which has lead to confusion. The Chaos President strikes again.

    BTW the 14A applies for the last 150 years plus the next 30 days is sheer BS-ery. No surprise, since Trump is not a serious person.

    Outside of the SCOTUS, I don't see this XO as a winning effort.
     
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  5. Andre0087

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    I agree on that, now on the second part the US needs to make it easier for people to immigrate here legally which is probably not going to occur under his admin since it didn't under his first.

    "Trump will likely cut legal entries more than illegal ones for five reasons:
    1. That’s precisely what he did during his first term. Illegal immigration actually increased substantially during his first term, while legal migration of all types was reduced before and after the pandemic.
    2. Legal migration is now much higher than it was at any point during Trump’s first four years. This higher baseline means that if Trump imposes limits similar to those we saw during his first term, the cut will be much greater than during his first term.
    3. Illegal immigration is much lower than when Trump left office. Moreover, illegal entries are always much lower than legal entries, so even a small percentage cut from legal migration will be much larger than even a large percentage cut to illegal immigration.
    4. Trump has repeatedly promised to impose even more severe restrictions on legal entries than he did during his first term (at least pre-pandemic). Moreover, his legal immigration agenda was never fully implemented during his first term, so we should expect much more serious cuts.
    5. Trump has promised mass deportation, but this will be more difficult to achieve. It is far easier to end legal activity than end illegal activity, so he will attempt to appease his nativist base and the nationalist political class by cutting legal immigration.
    Although President Trump occasionally makes statements in support of legal immigration, his advisors and most of his active political supporters are universally opposed to any effort to expand legal immigration, even for skilled workers. Elon Musk’s recent defense of the H‑1B visa ultimately concluded with him endorsing draconian restrictions on the visa (limiting it to 0.1 percent of skilled workers). In the next four years, no category of legal immigration will escape restrictions."

    https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-will-cut-legal-entries-more-illegal-entries
     
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  6. Salvy

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    I don't care tbh, I'm thankful for this country..... If I gotta go I gotta go.... I don't like birthright citizenship taken away but I understand why it should. Its logical and common sense... I don't even think its unfair, my parents got an opportunity to succeed and they did.... What more could we ask for?
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    Anchors Away!
     
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  8. No Worries

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    We should have a national conservation about birthright citizenship and immigration in general. If 2/3 of states want to change the Constitution and remove birthright citizenship, I would be OK with that.

    But this is a fever dream ... there will be no national conservation ... this is not how the SCWs roll ... they just want what they want ... no need for process.
     
  9. ThatBoyNick

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    Yeah, he's one of the good ones.
     
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  10. Os Trigonum

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    you know . . . if Trump revoked the citizenship of the Biden crime family members that Joe pardoned, maybe he could extradite them and then try them for corruption under a newly-Americanized-yet-independent Greenlandic law.

    we got the basterds now
     
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  11. Salvy

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    If I go he goes..... Its only fair.....
     
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  12. pgabriel

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    Probably not a "problem", I really don't think many migrants would resort to this. Immigration is the issue that has made Trump the leader of the party so he is gonna blow up every aspect of it .
     
  13. Salvy

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    @astros123 has already said numerous times there is NO proof that links The Biden crime family to crimes..... Other than Hunter's laptop....
     
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  14. ThatBoyNick

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    I'd support ending birthright citizenship, though NOT retroactively. If that is done people will deserve to burn in hell over it.
     
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  15. droxford

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    The US establishes fair wage law (such as minimum wage), and legal working age law (to prevent child and slave labor) to protect American workers.... and then we hire illegal aliens to mow our lawns, clean our houses, work on farms, work in construction, etc. ... while we turn a blind eye to the fact that they're getting paid below minimum wage and they're using children to do work.

    If you're liberal, and you care about people getting paid fairly and not exploiting children as workers, you should be against illegal immigration. To do otherwise would be hypocritical.

    If you're conservative, well... you probably already advocate against illegal immigration.

    I don't know if I agree with you about making it easier. I think what you mean to say (perhaps?) is that we should increase the quantity of legal immigrants that we accept each year (does that sound correct?).

    The United States' Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) allows the US to grant up to 675,000 permanent immigrant visas each year, there are no limits on the number of spouses, parents, and children under 21 of U.S. citizens who can immigrate. If we, the people, feel that this cap should be increased, then we should do an impact assessment and, if it seems like it's okay, increase the cap. The last time the cap was increased was 1990.

    BUT... whatever cap we have should always be enforced. Allowing people to just enter the US without controlling the quality or quantity of immigrants is dangerous, and destructive.
     
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    It is a false equivalency the vast majority of the time to say someone came legally, when the rules aren't the same for everybody. Almost nobody comes here illegally because they want to. It is because it is their only realistic option for getting here. Claiming asylum is the best legal option for them, which Trump's EOs are showing that isn't going to be an option for them anymore.

    I recognize my privilege of being lucky enough to be born in the right place at the right time.
     
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  17. Os Trigonum

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    there's no proof that the sun will rise tomorrow either. But we've got a pretty good idea that it will

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  18. Salvy

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    I think that's fair, I'd support ending birthright citizenship for a period of time.... Slowing down immigration naturally, perhaps 10 years....
     
  19. droxford

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    I agree that we should follow the correct process to remove, or more clearly define, the birthright citizenship establishment in our constitution. Unfortunately, that takes a long time and, because of the huge amounts of illegal aliens who have entered our country over the past four years, I believe that we need some kind of immediate action.
     
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  20. droxford

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    The executive order that our president has signed is not retroactive.
     
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