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Birthright Citizenship

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jan 21, 2025.

  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member
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    I was born in Houston, Texas over 50 years ago. My parents came to this country legally and when I was born were students at Rice Univeristy and U of H respectively. They were married in Rice University Chapel. I’ve never been convicted of any crime worse than a traffic ticket.

    According to the executive order signed yesterday I will not be an American citizen because my parents were not permanent residents when I was born in St Joseph’s Hospital. I am not alone and millions of Americans are in similar situations. I suspect many Clutchfans are in the same situation and even many who voted for Trump.
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    If executive orders can override the constitution then we are in a little trouble.
     
  3. Kemahkeith

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    Are you an American citizen at present?
    If not I would suspect you would go to the front of the line for citizenship.

    I know nothing of the process, but I wish you luck.
     
  4. Xerobull

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    1. Backlash to this is going to lead into some sort of qualifying amendment for ‘birthright citizens’ who are ‘productive members of society’. That might be the goal here anyway, to start to assign tiers to people of different racial ethnicity.
    2. I hope all of the Latinos who voted for Trump are paying attention today.
     
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  5. Air Langhi

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    Have they not been paying attention to what he has been saying the last 8 years?
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    I am a citizen because of the 14th amendment.
    Why should I get in line for something that has been a right for more than a 120 years.
     
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    43%(?) of Latino men haven’t.
     
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    I was trying to give support for a messed-up situation.
    Sorry you would rather lash out at me for asking a question.

    Anyway have a great day.
     
  9. Xerobull

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    You shouldn’t, bro.
     
  10. juicystream

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    Definitely one that is expected to lose in court.

    The EO is also only effective for future births, so no current citizen should be negatively affected, though I do think there is a can of worms if this EO does hold up.

    Also, since non-Citizens and non-Permanent Residents are not subject to the laws of the United States, they can no longer be charged with any Federal Crimes, right?
     
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    Apparently not. I know a few Latinos including some who voted for Trump who could lose their citizenship.

    Im seeing Marco Rubio on the news now and ironically under this executive order he could lose his citizenship if his parents were here on asylum status when he was born.
     
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    I'd like to say don't worry it's just bluster from a conman but with the composition of the current Supreme Court we really don't know.
     
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    You’re assuming that any Trump action that goes to court will be fairly and impartially adjudicated based solely on law.
     
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    Am I understanding the executive order correctly that it requires at least one of the parents to be a US citizen or green card holder for birthright citizenship to take effect?

    Doesn’t seem altogether unreasonable (particularly if there is a relatively painless path for the child to obtain citizenship in the future), but in any case I think you’re OK based on this from the Executive Order:


    (b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.
     
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    This is correct. Once granted citizenship, it can't be revoked.

    People who are afraid its going to be retroactive should recognize their sources of misinformation and gravely overestimate the power of an EO.
     
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    Wait why do express political opinions here if you don't understand the very basics of civics in America?
     
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    birthright citizenship is in the Constitution.

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-1-2/ALDE_00000812/#:~:text=Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:,the State wherein they reside.

    Amdt14.S1.1.2 Citizenship Clause Doctrine
    Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Based on the first sentence of Section 1, the Court has held that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents who were ineligible to be naturalized themselves is nevertheless a citizen of the United States entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizenship.1 The requirement that a person be subject to the jurisdiction thereof, however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation,2 or children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws.3 In addition, the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents.4Citizens of the United States within the meaning of this Amendment must be natural and not artificial persons; a corporate body is not a citizen of the United States.5
    Trump can interfere with the processes these citizens use to get things like passports and social security numbers, but that's gonna get tied up in the courts pretty quickly. I suspect that in the long run this will amount to little more than a publicity stunt. It's unfortunate in the short term though.
     
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  19. fchowd0311

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    Are these 9 humans selected to uphold core constitutional laws God like creatures who are incapable of voting against precident and the explicit language of the Constitution?

    What happens if one of these elder gods we chose to make these decisions violates basic interpretations of the Constitution? Do they get punished in some manner that is effective? Is there a body of people that are reasonable humans and not political grifters who will check on these elder gods?
     
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  20. Kemahkeith

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    Did I express a political opinion?
    Don't look for a fight when there aint one.

    But again, you are an idiot always following me to engage you.
    I'm sorry your life is so f'd up.
     

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