love that his show got cancelled, hes no different than barkley and the rest of the sharks in the media attacking houston. Sure bill lets bring a below the rim, postup player to pair along harden... that would work just fine
My point is that neither is what we really need. But Okafor has a high upside and could develop into a better player, with DMO you get what you see and he is who he is at this point.
Yeah any trade involving the Kings better have Cousins coming here. If we get Okafor, we better not be giving up much in return.
For as much as it counts, analysis on the development of bigs has shown that Centers who were historically as bad as Okafor was as a Rookie in defence NEVER become even near average. Will Okafor be the first one in the history of the league to go from as bad in defence to average? I'm not holding my breath but ofc nothing is impossible. In my opinion, and based on history as much as his upside is, in the end you have a C who is bellow average in D and who hasn't shown signs that for a good amount of years if ever will develop a jumpshot. Dmo is more versatile - because Okafor is even worse defensively as a pf- and can shoot some.
You're gonna have to show me this research. Most bigs take time to develop. For all we know he might turn into a good defender. Yeah but the point is still the same I dont want either but if I had to choose Okafor has a bigger upside. Dmo is just coming off injury and he wasn't all that before then. We need a defender and re bounder now.
It states there that in few a cases people improved. Which BTW is my point. Keep in mind as Ive said it seems like a hundred times now, Im not making a case to get Okafor. I dont even want Okafor but Im saying he would have a better upside and potential than DMo not sure how anyone disagrees with that. But hey if you do thats your business. Really I just want a scrub who is tall and can rebound well, thats all the Rockets need really.
Yeah..improved to bellow average. That's the point. Not that Okafor or any C won't improve in D. But when the player starts with such bad defensive awareness even with improvement the end result is still a bellow average and bad defender. There haven't been anyone who had such bad defence as a rookie and ended up with good or even average D.
I can't believe Im having a discussion over a guy I dont even want, lol. I was just saying he would be better than DMO. But since you keep responding... Your reply is false. In your own quote it says that there have been instances where guys went from negative to positive on defense. "There are, of course, a few instances in which players elevated their defensive games from negatives to positives." That quote makes my statement true that his upside potential is bigger than Dmo's. Again Dmo was just injured and he's not exactly a defensive juggernaut, again I would go with the young guy if the choice was just between the two. I would rather have Noel though. I think Noel is in the realm of someone who is not a superstar but is good defensively and can rebound. Sooner or later the Sixers will realize they need something more than bigs and they'll trade him, lol.
I doubt many here want Okafor (both of us included). But you missed the point of that analysis. It's not that rookie C who are bad in D dont' EVER get to above average. It's that it depends on the baseline of their D in their first year how good they get. If they just bellow average, they get to above average. And someone as historically bad in that area like Okafor, is extremely unlikely he will get even close to average. Ofc there's always a first time for everything. But history is against him. I dont believe there's a dilema here over DMO or Okafor. But between the two of them I would definitely choose DMO for the team right now. Why? Because you can't win with a horrible C in D. And even if Okafor by some miracle, breaks the mold and gets to average it's going to take at least 3-4 years. This team is win now. So between who will help more the team during the years we have Harden, IF healthy, imo it's DMO hands down. That's a big if but it's not bigger than Okafor having a revelation in Defence.
I already knew you felt this way about Dmo before you said so by the way you were replying. Keep in mind again that Dmo is not a defensive center. He may even be worse because again he is coming off injury and hasn't played in sometime. I would rather Morey look elsewhere. I like Dmo, when he was healthy he had great chemistry with Harden but it may be time to look past him if you need a big who can rebound and defend.
Oh I agree about DMO's defence. Some months ago before even DMO got back in the court, I even got called a troll by DDakota and Bobby because I dared to challenge DMO's label as "great defensive big". OFC injuries and especially in the back affect defence as well. There are many bigs available right now in the market. But good defensive C and good rebounders not so many. Speaking of injuries Okafor for only one year -if hsi team didn't hold him out on purpose- had a big number of injuries. That is something of interest to me to see if it's a characteristic of him as a player or just bad luck/ body not prepared yet for the league.
Oh, no, do not criticize DMo on this board. I am neither here nor there in the DMo debate, but if you give even the mildest criticism of him, you will find yourself in my situation when I posted years back after a game that Jeremy Lin could have played better defense last night, and found myself like Neo....the more I fought back, the more LOF'ers came at me like so many Agent Smiths, until I gave up and flew away. With DMo it's not quite as bad, but he does have his zealots, and they will jump on you like a bum on a bologna sandwich.
