Bill Simmons NBA playoffs mailbag: Very Interesting Trade scenario for the Rox

Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry, Shane Battier, and Luis Scola?
no way, we might as well change the team name

 

how did it work out for........Phoenix????

in another of his articles (not that I take anything he says for gospel), Simmons does an over under on the number of MVP's and Rings CP3 will get. The number is set at 1.5 and he reasonably takes the over.

I know it's a lot to give up, probably too much, but in a league built around stars, when you can trade a handful of roleplayers for a young perennial top 5 guy, you have to look long and hard at doing it.

I'm not a big Chris Paul fan, but he's going to be a top 3 point guard every year for the next decade. He makes teammates better. If you think David West is more than a quality role player without him, think again.

 

instead of Shane and Scola...
We'd better throw in Lowry...if we can..
and dun trade for Posey

Result:

Macgrady, barry, AB, Lowry, Landry for Pual, Peja, Chlander

I will do it in a heartbeat and make another trade to find a packup pg

 

The problem with emptying the team to pick up Chris Paul is you'd be left with huge roster holes ...which we'd have to fill.

When we traded 3 starters for TMac, this past season was basically the FIRST time since that trade that we legitimately replaced all our starters. For years we struggled to find our replacement PG and PF. Hell, for a stretch I think we started Luther Head and Chuck Hayes.

You gotta seriously consider getting Paul if the chance is there ...but you can't trade the whole farm for him.

 

and if NO wants both, they can have them but we have to retain Battier..

remember, NO is the desperate team.. beggars can't be picky..

we don't have to give them whatever they want, we just have to give them the best offer they can get from other teams..

 

I never got around to addressing this, but I think the sentiment here would be much more favorable toward this hypothetical you proposed that not only would save New Orleans more money, but also allowed us to keep both Scola and Battier.

That would be very interesting because unlike Posey and Peja, Chandler can actually be moved on his own for picks/expirings. You would have to wonder if they valued the savings from Cook's contract more or the future trade values of Battier and Scola.

And of course I think a team of:

Yao/Armstrong
Scola/Hayes
Battier/Peja
Posey/Wafer
Paul/Lowry

could immediately contend next year with the Yao-Scola-Battier nucleus still intact.

 

Houston has no desire or need to gut the roster, possibly one of the dumbest trade rumors ive ever seen congrats. tmac for kobe or lebron will be next.

 

tcab -- Agreed. If they wanted to keep a halfway interesting product on the floor, a team with Chandler/Landry/West up front and Aaron Brooks at the helm could run, run run.

Anyhow, this is likely much ado about nothing.

http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2009/05/new_orleans_hornets_say_they_a.html

A deal I speculated about in another thread was using our Steve Francis trade exception to acquire Hilton Armstrong and the 21st overall pick in the draft for cash and/or a future 2nd round pick.

Such a deal would directly reduce the Hornet's 2009/2010 payroll by $4m, and thus save them another $4m in luxury tax payouts. Minor pieces, $8m in savings.

For the Rockets, it's a cheap way to pickup the young 7 footer everyone seems to want, along with another useful asset, a first round draft pick. Proverbial two birds with one stone.

 

I think trading for Tmac was different. We were just only getting to the playoffs at that point. We did so by maximizing everything we had, sometimes that meant playing veterans like Jackson for long minutes. We barely made it there as the 8th seed. We gutted the team for a chance at something better. With Tmac we ended that season with the best record for the Rockets in the previous decade. We knew of Tmac's history, but we took a chance to be better. The next season it bit us, and we got a lottery pick that turned into Battier. We would make it to the playoffs the next 3 years, advancing to the second round the 3rd time, ironically without Tmac.

I think this team has a better chance to make this kind of move. Remember it worked out fine for us back then, but we had to depend on obscure players to produce (Bowen?). We have more depth now, which allows us to make this trade. One, Tmac was arguably not as big of an upgrade over Mobley as Paul is over the current Brooks. Lue was a major step down from Francis. This trade does not gut us to that extent. We improved then, we can improve now. We traded 3 starters for one back then. We are trading 3 starters for two this time.

Just think if they offered us a package of - West, Wright, Peterson, Daniels, Butler for Yao, Artest, Lowry, Wafer, Hayes, Dorsey. Would we really be saying, "Wowzers, NOH really sold the farm on that one?!"

09 Rockets = West Scola Battier Peterson Brooks (key subs Landry, hopefully Tmac, fingers crossed ya'll)
09 Hornets = Yao Chandler Posey Artest Paul (Key subs Peja, Lowry)

Do the Hornets win that trade?

-V

 

And we would still have the MLE to work? Please don't tease me like this!

Fantastic trade proposal, Nikestrad. Probably plays out in our favor a little too much to actually happen but I like the idea of keeping Scola/Battier and still being capable of putting together a semi-enticing offer.

 

This had to be started by someone at the New Orleans Hornets franchise office.......lol

No way you make that trade! So you would have a point guard and nobody for him to get the ball to.

 

I think the things you have to keep in mind with all these trade scenarios is that:
1) most everybody wants Tracy McGrady out of here in the worst way (not to mention the nature of his huge expiring contract), and
2) Yao Ming isn't going anywhere for anybody.

There wont be a swap if "stars". There'll be a swap of salaries. McGrady's expiring salary is what makes all this speculation work.

And most of the reasoning makes sense. McGrady's health will be a stumbling block to a team that expects to use him until he can perform, or his contract will be something of an enticement to teams who just want to dump salary.

And anyways...what's a fan forum without cockamamie thread proposals...
...it's not like any of us have anything more important to do...

 

Of course you do the trade.
CP3 is better than McGrady in 04/05.
Don't think the Hornets is that desperate though.

 

What? Did you even read this thread? Did you at least read my post all the way through? How did I (1) contradict the notion of us wanting to get rid of Tmac? How did I (2) contradict the notion that Yao isn't going anywhere?

Obviously there won't be a swap of stars. Obviously the entire thread is about a scenario where a team, NOH, is forced to trade it's superstar for expiring contracts and young talent. Wait, are you sure Tmac's expiring contract is what makes this speculation work? WHAT?! ORLY?!

You're right, I missed it. I wasn't purposefully substituting an opposite scenario for rhetorical measure. I'll keep what you wrote "in mind." Your powers of comprehension = FTW.

 

I actually thought the whole point of this was that New Orleans was unhappy with Chris Paul and would prefer Tracy McGrady's superior talents.

LOLCATS.

*prays for a two-tiered GARM.

 

Yao Ming, Artest, Chandler not enough for you? Not to mention we'd probably keep Wafer as well...I'd trade all of the players on the roster except Yao Ming for Chris Paul, and I'm sure DM would as well.

 

I certainly never want to make somebody upset, or make a comment just to hear myself talk...er...type.

Most people have known for a while that Chris Paul's max contract extension payment begins next season (at something like $13 million a year). A lot of people on that Hornets roster are overpaid. Owner George Shinn took the wind out of New Orleans' sails when he tried to send away Tyson Chandler in order to cut payroll. Nothing about New Orleans' situation money-wise is news. It's actually pretty common around the league.

I only felt that any trade scenario involving the Rockets would most likely center around moving McGrady (whatever the reason). Yao's not going anywhere. Everybody else is fair game.

My point was that, as much as people talk about heart and effort and leadership, winning is what fans want. We get a team that people here are saying they'd be proud to root for, so let's trade them all for Chris Paul.

Paul's going to be a hall of fame point guard. And getting a player like that at a position like point guard is enough to look at. The difference being, of course, is that I don't think Daryl Morey stops with whoever he gets from New Orleans if he were somehow to get Chris Paul.

I don't think New Orleans has any reason to be unhappy with Paul. He did what he could with a team that was injury-hit all year. He tried so hard to win against Denver in the playoffs that his turnovers skyrocketed, trying to do too much on his own, while his teammates struggled. If anybody in New Orleans is upset with Paul about that, then they don't deserve to have him.

The question is, for me anyway, is Paul going to be moved? I think it looks like it's certainly possible. And that I wouldn't have a problem with it.

If this is one of those threads where people are making a joke I've missed, well...sorry I messed up...

 

Its like the more post in this thread, the dumber it looks. People are complaining about giving up shane,brooks,scola,landry, and tracy for a top 3 player in the entire league, a rebounder/defender in chandler, a aging shooter in peja, and a equal or upgrade of shane. i guess i'm drunk ,high, or stupid. I'm not sure if it will happen, but if it did, what would be the problem? Its not like you could flip some of those players for other players. Talent can be moved or they could get a 3rd team involved who has cap space or just need salaries. Getting paul is the coup and getting everyone else is gravy. Paul for yao would be a get over by he rox because he's a better by far plus he's younger.

 

A crazy deal..

 

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