Bill Hunter is making sure the lockout doesnt end soon

i doubt that seriously. judges aren't going to upset precedent simply because sophisticated parties in business transactions can't come to an agreement.

 

what precedent are you referring to? most recent precedent is Brady v. NFL, and that does NOT help the players.

sports leagues have been given virtual antitrust exemptions for a lot longer than any current judge has sat on the bench.

 

ok. i'll defer to your opinion. i'm speaking from ignorance on anything NFL. can you summarize the Brady ruling, or is there a good summary somewhere in the Texans forum here. I didn't really follow it.

 

The media can spin this, but it's the players who will suffer the most. If a season is lost, will it be owners or the players who are going broke? But players are prideful, they see this lockout as a real life Hollywood movie where they are the heroes and the owners are the villains. They have forgotten what each of them have parroted to the media a thousand times, that the NBA is a business, and that nothing is personal. By making this personal, by letting agents set their agenda, players have boxed themselves into a corner, a corner where anything less than 52% will make them look weak, so they risk losing a year's pay for nothing more than bragging rights to their sycophant friends.

 

I think the NBAPA is going to offer a counter proposal to what ever deal the league formally offered.

If the Union can't make up any ground with a counter proposal It plays out one of 3 ways.

1.) Union takes the deal with 100% chance of getting Butt Hurt

2.) Union De-certifies , still very High chance of getting rapped, but small chance a ruling from the court in their favor would level negotiating playing field.

3.) Union De-certifies , loses all court hearings , makes the owners bleed in the process but in the end still gets butt hurt.

 

Apparently the Union was never formally offered a deal. It was only partially laid out in front of them. They already rejected the deal based on principle alone of being take it or leave it, without knowing the fine print. Makes sense to me.

The Union essentially did offer a counter proposal, which was much clearer, that consisted of 51% split, and the system issues left basically how they were before with a few exceptions like Amnesty, mid level, etc. Werent clear about Lux tax either, but similar structure as previous.

 

NBAPA, needs to talk with the Hocket PA and see how that went, because that is what the owners of the NBA want to do if they can't get a deal to salvage the season.

Exciting stuff here...

DD

 

The NBA front office needs to talk to the NFL front office and see how that went. Because last I checked no one cares about hockey anymore, and if there is a fourth sport after football, basketball, and baseball, it is probably MMA now. Or Nascar. God that just gave me a sour taste in my mouth.

 

To me a flex BRI makes the most sense. I believe that the lack of a deal rests squarely on the fact that the union is afraid that the economy will improve to the point of a bad deal.

The fact that the owners are resisting a flex deal tells me that they don't want to negotiate a deal in good faith, but rather to get the most they can.

The problem is that now the conditions of the "flex" in the bri is being challenged. 1 side saying that 51 is the offer and the other side saying you are crazy it is 50.2, maybe.

SMDH

 

Brief summary

The Federal court shouldn't involve itself with injunctions during a labor disoute and that the owners were right in claiming that the union decertification shouldn't be seen as a method to end a labor dispute.

 

The NBA would be what, third behind football and baseball?

They will drop even further behind due to this lockout.

But the owners know that, they need to reset the system to make it fair.....it is for the good of the game.

DD

 

Second in my opinion.

 

Would have to see TV ratings and revenues etc.....that would be the best indictor.

DD

 

Billy Hunter is a disease to the league.

 

FIFY....



Lazy players that want to get paid while faking injuries, or getting fat.

Guaranteed contracts are the worst thing that has happened to the NBA.

Get rid of that alone and the competition would get a lot better.


DD

 

I think it varies from year to year. The nfl season for the most part has sucked.

While both baseball, basketball and hockey - all have had resurgences.

If it were not for fantasy football, would you honestly be interested in it?

For my money, this year:

1. Baseball
1a.Basketball
2. Hockey
3. Football.

Basketball had an OUTSTANDING YEAR. But we may never see another baseball season like we had this year. Baseball g.o.a.t every sport this year.

 

I dont see how NFL this season has sucked, very nice games, great comebacks, nice team surprises, etc.

maybe Im wrong, but I dont think the ratings of hockey are better than football ratings.

even baseball ratings during the season are equalliy better or even lower than football.

 

Fixed.

Billy Hunter has already conceded defeat. He's moved all the way down to 51% from 57%, while the owners haven't moved at all. As one writer said (forget who), when will David Stern accept that he won, accept the union's concessions, and let the lockout end? Why is he trying to blow everything up to get a flawless victory? Stern (and the owners) are clearly the problem here.

 

Everything I have read about the players proposals keeps the current system parameters intact, the owners have said all along they need to change the system for the good of the league.

The players just don't want to hear it, and they are going to get screwed because they lack common business sense.

The league HAS to go through a system overhaul so all the teams can compete and the league is healthy and viable going forward.

The players want the same type of system that has killed the financial side of the league for many teams, the landscape has changed, the economy tanked, no longer can the owners count on their valuation going up and making up all their losses while they own the team when they sell it, now they need to treat it like a business, and the players don't like it.

Any time business has shortfalls they cut staff, that is what is going on here, and the staff is b****ing and moaning and that is just too bad, welcome to business players....learn it, love it, live it.

DD

 

The players have to ACCEPT or they will be BLAMED.