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Bill Bennett's final solution: aborting all black babies could reduce crime

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Oski2005, Sep 30, 2005.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    You may have posted this, before I edited/finished my post.

    I didn't leave it out, and aborting black babies isn't the issue accept that it Bennet relates the black race to crime.

    When talking about eliminating crime, Bill Bennet mentioned one particular race. That is where the racism comes in. The final solution bit is misleading since Bennet didn't propose or suggest aborting children as a solution to crime.

    But the racist bit isn't misleading, since Bennet did associate only one particular race of unborns with future crime.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    It isn't necessarily true that they have a higher crime rate. IT is true that they have a higher conviction rate.

    Let's look at drug use, higher among whites. Let's look at white collar crime higher among whites. Education and poverty probably have the biggest indication on liklihood of criminal activity.

    But the fact is that someone else brought up the idea that crime rate might be lower because of an increase in abortions. Bill Bennet then took the topic of crime rates, and brought in only one race.

    Further more this is no evidence to show that more black males arrested means a higher crime rate among blacks in general. There are places in Africa that are almost totally black and have very little crime. Bennet was one that brought race into the eqquation. His comment was racist.
     
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    FB, you never fail to disappoint me. A great job of pointing out why this is so offensive to so many of us. Max, at least, gets it. Why some of those on the right choose to attempt to give this guy yet another excuse for his hypocrisy is past my understanding. This is from the same fellow who made a cottage industry from recycling Bible stories about morality, while losing millions in Vegas.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  4. basso

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    roe v wade, the context within which bennet's remark applies, does not apply to africa. he was discussing abortion and crime, and the idea that abortion reduces crime, a suggestion he explicitly rejects. however, for the sake of arguement, please name another example where aborting all babies of a particular non-black race would result in a lowering of the crime rate if not actual gross crimes committed.

    i want to state categorically that i am no fan of bill bennet. however, while his analogy may have been inelegant, or in poor taste, it was not racist. the facts are on his side.
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    Obviously Bennett is correct in that if all black babies were aborted, crime would be reduced. The same could be said of aborting all white babies, Hispanic babies, Chinese babies, etc. No one can argue with that. However, the issue is why Bennett chose black babies instead of any other race. Logically, I don't fault him for choosing black babies, as blacks are far more prone to crime than other races. Black commit violent crimes at a rate of 4-8x that of whites and Asians are half as likely as whites to commit violent crimes. Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes as well. When you further break it down and look at black on white crime versus white on black crime, the numbers are absolutely staggering. It is 100x more likely for a black to rob a white than it is for a white to rob a black. That's just stunning. The elephant in the room that no one is willing to acknowledge is these crime facts. No one acknowledges them for several reasons, one of which is because of cries of racism. This isn't racism -- this is fact. Bennett subconciously chose black babies instead of other races because of the cold hard truth that blacks commit crimes at very high rates. Again, that's not racism, that's just the unsettling truth that some people simply don't want to hear.
     
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    "You did a helluva job, Billy boy*."

    *aka Mr. Book of Virtues, compulsive gambler, racist preacher
     
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  7. Rocket River

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    One step forward
    Two steps backward

    the fact he not only had advocates.. but people who beleive as he does
    well . .that is just disheartening. . . .

    Itis funny . . . white folx wonder how and why Kanye could say what he said

    Racism is obviously a LONG WAY from over
    And racist obviously are in high positions of power
    or at least walk the halls of power . . . . .

    Very disheartening . . .Very Disappoint . . .
    Sad Sad day for America . . . . :(

    Basso . . .Jorge. . . . you guys can keep it .. and keep him
    Stuff like this is so wrong . . . . . if you can defend it. .
    and in Jorje's case endorse it .. . well . . . You are lost
    and beyond any explanation of morality

    Crime Rate and Crime Convictions are two different things

    Rocket River
    . . . :( :rolleyes: :(
    Today . . . part of America DIED
     
  8. halfbreed

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    OMG cue the violin music Rocket River. He was asked a question and gave the truthful answer as has been pointed out here. If it were to happen the crime rate would decrease as it would with carrying that out with any race. He then said that it would be morally reprehensible to do it. Or are you guys just ignoring that part?
     
  9. halfbreed

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    It's not just white folks that wonder. What Kanye West said was repugnant and was completely false.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    . . yet her did not say any race
    he said the Black Race

    Rocket River
    . . .insensativity and Political Correctness. . . go hand and hand
    Is it PC to not piss on someone?
    Is it not PC to piss on someone .. but say hey . . everyone pisses on them
     
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    and Bennett just speaks God's honest Truth :rolleyes:

    Rocket River
     
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    Blacks commit crime at higher rates than whites. What is so hard to understand about this?
     
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    in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, liberals kept saying that what this country needs is an honest discussion of race. Of course, liberals who call for a discussion of race never actually want it to be honest. Rather, they want to engage in the old familiar ritual in which blacks air their grievances, white liberals trumpet their moral superiority, the rest of us shut up and listen, and dissenters are shamed and silenced.
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    Seriously. And I'm pretty sure Bennett is anti-abortion.
     
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    I don't think Bennett's statement is a big deal, but how does it really contribute to a honest discussion of race? If anything, we've seen that's inflammatory. Since he rejected the hypothesis, it obviously didn't contribute anything. If the question you're trying to solve is "how do you decrease crime?" and "kill the black people" is not a viable answer, how does suggesting it contribute to the discussion?
     
  16. Major

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    So in order to cut crime, his theoretical solution was committing millions of acts of something that he feels should be a crime. Brilliant! :D
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    It's not his "solution." It was brought up in the book Freakonomics (though it talked about abortion in general lowering the crime rate).
     
  18. rimbaud

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    While I do think this is being overblown, I also think he is an idiot for saying such a thing. At the least he should know that it will cause problems.

    I also agree that there is a difference between crime rates and crime convictions.

    But, yeah, if he was smart and wanted to make his point he would have said abort all men or something along those lines.
     
  19. SWTsig

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    if he really wants to reduce crime, he should've said "let's abort all babies born into poverty."

    now that's something i can get behind.
     
  20. Saint Louis

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    Maybe the reason black males commit/get convicted of more crimes is because like young male Arabs who are willing to blow themselves up, they lack hope for the future. Maybe most young black males lack hope and faith for they believe that the government and the economic system of the country that they live in is against them. If they have no hope, then they have no fear of committing a crime. If they get caught for the crime, who cares, they felt that life was meaningless anyway.
     

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