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Biggio joins Bagwell on 2013 HOF Ballot

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by ipaman, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Hey Now!

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    Mother's maiden name is you? He did email; REALLY wants to know who I am. Anyone wanna suggest a character's bio I could augment and use? I'm leaning Billy Blazejowski for now...
     
  2. MadMax

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    yep...


    how about John Cocktoasten?
     
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    History would seem to indicate that Glavine and Maddux will still need one more year to get in. So I think the window is still next year. We'll see.
     
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    Well you did post Ric as your name so I might go with Ric Shaw. You could be a stats supervisor for business accounting firm Fredricks, Galle and Hyde.
     
  5. msn

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    take it easy on the guy. "be kind to your dim-witted friends, for a dolt may be somebody's uncle..."
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    My email to Barry (with personal information redacted); I recommend humming "God Bless America" in your head as you read it:
     
  7. MadMax

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    "....His truth is marching on!!!"
     
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    That was beautiful. I miss those days.
     
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    How is the "evidence" against Bagwell even close to "probable cause?" As far as I can tell the evidence against Bagwell is essentially that he was a big guy who played in the steroid era. That's it. Maybe you can argue that his performance spiked, but that would depend on when the steroid era began.

    He had his highest slugging year in 94. Was that during the steroid era? It well before Bonds, and Mac and Sosa, and Clemens and Pettitte. You know who also abnormal power years in 94? Tony Gywnn (career high slg 568); Frank Thomas (career high slg 729); and Ken Griffey Jr. (career high slg 674).
     
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    History indicates that Maddux will need one more year? Are you serious?

    He's going in year 1 for sure. Glavine has a really good chance to go year 1.

    Next year will have Randy Johnson and Pedro going in on the first ballot.
     
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    Some pretty interesting perspective I hadn't heard before.
     
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    Thought Bigg should have made it last year. Should make this year for sure!
     
  14. Dirt Road

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    If Bagwell doesn't get in because he probably took steroids no one from that era should get in.
     
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    Hah, c'mon. I don't even disagree with you but this is why we use metrics like isolated power. Gwynn hit close to .400 that year. No need to exaggerate to make this particular point.

    Anyway, guys were definitely juicing by '94, but the guilt by association BS they're using to justify denying Bagwell is ridiculous.
     
  16. what

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    i disagee. while the baseball hof does make idiosyncratic decisions, especially in biggio's case, the baseball hof is the one hall of fame that means something when you get in.

    oan: while baseball is certainly the most boring of all of the sports, no other sport can touch baseball in terms of history and statistics. baseball's statistics and records blow the other leagues out of the water.

    and the baseball hof is the greatest hall of fame out there. nobody can argue that.
     
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    You can argue baseball's hof is the "greatest", but it is also the most sanctimonious and hypocritical, thanks to this current group of mediots.

    Without Pete Rose, it is a fraud.

    Without Jeff Bagwell, it is a shameless joke.
     
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    You're right, but I wasn't trying to be misleading, I was just using slugging because that's what was used in the article to look at Bagwell's 1994 season. If you want to look at ISO the point still holds. Thomas' 94 ISO of .376 is by far his highest in his career by over 20% (he did have a .371 ISO over 34 plate appearances in 05). Likewise, Griffey's 94 ISO is a career high at .351. Gwynn 94 ISO wasn't a career high (he barely edged it in 97 and 98 at the ages of 37-38, after Ken Caminiti joined his team :rolleyes:) but it was far above anything he'd ever done before in his career. In 94, at the age of 34, his ISO was .174; the closest he'd ever come before that was a .141 ISO at the age of 27.

    That's just three players everyone believes didn't juice. If were to look at 94 stats (just like 1987 stats) you'd find at lot more players that experienced abnormal power numbers that year. The larger point is that there was other factors that likely increased the power across the league, particularly in 1994, that had nothing to do with steroid use.
     
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  20. the shark

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    Go ask any pitcher from the National league from '91-'04 who the top five hitters they faced were. Trust me, Bagwell was one of them!!!! I've been a die hard 'Stros fan since '68. Big Biggio fan but there is NO way in hell he was a better player than Baggy!!! If a player like Bagwell doesn't get into the HOF than there shouldn't be a HOF!!!
     
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