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Biggest issue right now? Harden's turnovers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aroundtheblock2, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. aroundtheblock2

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    Hes been a turnover machine despite his "amazing" stat lines. I dont know why this is being ignored so much.

    Oh yeah and hes also getting lazy on defense again this year.


    This season so far is on Harden.
     
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    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    LOL trade any single superstar and rockets are either worse or the same while the other team is better

    SMH
     
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  3. Newlin

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    I wouldn't say it's the biggest issue. But it is an issue.

    The Rockets have a lot of issues.
     
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    You think that’s our biggest issue?

    To commit a turnover you need to be both A) healthy and B) worthy of being on the court in the first place.

    Our team has a gigantic problem with the two things I just mentioned.
     
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    LMAO @ this being the biggest issue
     
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    Whilst it’s a issue it’s far from the main issue. Harden has been the only player who has consistently brought it. Agenda driven thread. Let’s blame the league leading scorer(30 pts 9 assists 6 boards on 46% )
     
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    Didn’t check actual stats but could be because of his immense usage and single handedly having to carry every single player on our team...literally....
     
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    He needs help. if he does everything, he will turn it over a lot.
     
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    Why harden stole Lin’s glory
     
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    Biggest issue is that he's playing 43 minutes a game.

    He's the only legit playmaker on the team

    The problem isn't Harden.

    The problem is the roster.

    Harden is the ENTIRE TEAM

    That's why he's the MVP

    Stop blaming a poor roster where one guy has to do it all. Of course he's going to have 11 turnovers if he's asked to play 47 minutes and do everything

    GET HARDEN SOME HELP and BAN BTG AGAIN
     
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    We seen this before James gets burned out mentally fromis usage. When that happens he turns it over usually in careless fashion
     
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    Half of his turnovers is when he gets doubled on high the pick. The defense has been taking away the behind the back and forcing him to throw a lob over the top of the defense. Those passes have been either getting deflected and stolen or deflected and recovered at the end of the shot clock. This one play would reduce his turnovers drastically.
     
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  15. threepointshot3

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    Biggest issue is CP0 being injured and when playing looking like a washed up hack for the most part making 40 million
     
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    Seems that Harden does not care it at all.

    Its really bad. The dude is breaking turnover record.
     
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    That turnovers stat is a result of Harden playing the most minutes in the league. Beard is doing everything he can because the team sucks.
     
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    It's Hardens work load dude.

    Gordon was in a funk, Paul has been out, our bench can't even score 10PPG.
     
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    That happens when 80% of the offence depends of you scoring or assisting
     
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    GSW had 29th worst TOV% last year, and even with Rockets two years ago.

    Even with Harden's increase from last year, Rockets are 17th: Better than
    • GSW
    • Toronto
    • Milwaukee
    • Indiana
    • 76ers
    • Jazz (27th, go Rubio!)
    Since Harden has such a high Usage, and MDA talks about how he looks closer to team turnovers and doesn’t care if a higher majority are concentrated in his PGs, as long as the team numbers are acceptable, I think it’s better to track Harden based upon TOV%.

    Look at how Green, Rondo, Rubio, Simmons and even Ingles fare against Harden on TOV%

    This year

    RkPlayerTOV%MP
    1Draymond Green32.630.5
    2DeAndre Jordan22.732.3
    3Rajon Rondo21.525.3
    4Nicolas Batum20.130.8
    5Ricky Rubio19.829.3
    6Ben Simmons19.833.6
    7Trae Young19.329.3
    8Dennis Smith18.927.9
    9Joe Ingles18.632.9
    10Luka Doncic18.533.7
    11James Harden18.337.4
    12Jrue Holiday17.936.3
    13Evan Turner17.926.1
    14Lonzo Ball17.726.6
    15DeAaron Fox17.532.6
    16Isaiah Canaan17.426.5
    17Kyle Lowry17.433.9
    18Justise Winslow17.327.4
    19Nikola Jokic17.029.3
    20Karl-Anthony Towns16.933.7
    Last Year


    RkPlayerTOV%MP
    1Rajon Rondo22.726.2
    2Draymond Green22.532.7
    3Ben Simmons19.533.7
    4Elfrid Payton18.528.7
    5Dragan Bender18.125.2
    6Ricky Rubio18.129.3
    7Joe Ingles17.431.4
    8James Johnson17.226.6
    9Kent Bazemore17.027.5
    10DeAaron Fox16.427.8
    11Jeff Teague16.433.0
    12Russell Westbrook16.436.4
    13Julius Randle16.326.7
    14Eric Bledsoe16.131.4
    15LeBron James16.136.9
    16DeAndre Jordan16.131.5
    17Andre Drummond15.933.7
    18Kyle Anderson15.826.7
    19Andre Iguodala15.825.3
    20Caris LeVert15.826.3
    21Nicolas Batum15.631.0
    22Joel Embiid15.630.3
    23Nikola Jokic15.532.6
    24Taurean Waller-Prince15.330.0
    25James Harden15.135.4
     
    #20 heypartner, Nov 29, 2018
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