green can become rashard lewis w/ all star level defense. thats the best he can become and obviously he'll have to do a lot but he can at least do 15/5/2 guy. i think hes gonna be another rashard.
the next time you rookies that wasted a whole page and a half on a childish flamewar wonder why you are a rookie and not a member......... Remember This Thread. that is all
They are both on equal levels. Grizz fans like most people, just repeat what is replayed on Sportscenter. Gasol was an attitude problem. He started faking a back injury the week prior to being traded. He basically mailed in the season in November. He refused to play defense. He was not a franchise big man any more than Juwan Howard was a franchise big man. If Gasol were black it would be considered equal but somehow people never see laziness, softness, and injury faking as a big problem with foreign players. This after the Grizzlies did every thing tro appease him including trading for his best friend. The Grizz were on pace to win 23 games WITH Gasol on the team and ended up winning 22 after giving him away. Will the Kings be better than last year? Doubtful. I think most Grizz fans were happy to see Gasol go.
Nice to see a Memphis fan's view on the trade. Was Gasol a locker room cancer or was he just tired of losing? I'm just curious. Maybe he was frustrated with the organization's lack of commitment to winning that he felt like he needed to rebel. It's a p***y move on Gasol's part, for sure, but wouldn't you place a lot of the blame on your FO? As you said, Memphis was on pace to win 23 games WITH a player like Gasol, I think that says a lot about the culture and the personnel of the team.
Artest is a one year rental so there's no real comparison at all. Unless Morey can extend him at a reasonable salary, at which point I would still say the Gasol trade, because an Artest re-signing I would chalk up to Artest's sense of loyalty and Morey's massive cojones.
You can compare it. We really didn't lose anything big for us but we signed a player who can really help us. And we gotta add that Kings are in the rebuilding mode. Memphis gave away gasol for nothing and there wes no reason for that decision.
TBD....Green could be reshard or ndi ebi. As it stands I am leaning towards the gasol trade being more lopsided.
the outrage towards the gasol trade was so over-the-top its not even funny. you basically had a team going no where, doing a salary dump of a good player who has proven he isn't a franchise player, both in ability and leadership. you have people who suggest indiana should cut their losses with jermaine o'neal but you want to criticize memphis cutting theirs with gasol.
The outrage isn't funny because it isn't over the top. After Bynum's injury, the Lakers were in 5th or 6th place in the Western Conference and sinking like a stone. Kobe's attitude was showing and the Lakers were poised to repeat their 2nd half swoon from the prior season. Except this time they would have most likely missed the playoffs. After Pau joined the team, the Lakers went 22-7. Pau took the pressure off Odom to be a scorer which allowed him to relax and go to another level. Having another "go to" player also took pressure off Kobe to be the centerpoint of their offense every minute he was on the court. The difference in team chemistry was amazing. With the Pau giveaway, a 6th place team on it's way to the lottery ended up going to the NBA Finals. The entire balance of the Western Conference was blown up. The trade was such a joke that even someone like Pop publicly blew up. pgab's, you're entitled to an opinion, but on this one I think you miss what everyone sees. Comparing Pau to JO? Give me a break. Take it from a Pacers fan: JO had averaged about 50 games/yr the last 4 years and has a gigantic contract on top of that. At this stage, he isn't nearly as attractive a player as Gasol. At least we got a good starting PG in T.J. Ford because the Pacers care about winning. The Grizzlies do not. When an owner has no regard to winning and cares only about reducing salary down to the bone, he has no business giving away major assets that affect competitive balance.
not disagreeing with any of that, the only thing i have to counter is this isn't memphis's problem. i understand that the lakers benifited greatly from that trade, but memphis got exactly what they wanted, an expiring contract for a franchise going no where.
Understood. But for most of us, the huge one-sided movement of talent in the trade was "outrageous". That was exacerbated because Memphis did it for 100% financial reasons without regard to helping their product on the court. Everyone agrees owners have a right to trim salary and sometimes that entails giving up more talent for less. Especially when it involves the luxury tax (see Marcus Camby). But this went far beyond anything in recent history, maybe ever, to such an extent it spawned conspiracy nonsense about Jerry West. I doubt we will ever see a mid-season trade that has such a dynamic affect on a team's performance during the same season. If the Lakers had beaten the Celts...
