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Big Negative: Mobley was not seeing the court

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Feb 19, 2000.

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  1. Francis3

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    I agree I think cato should use that jump hook more. He is working every day on getting a better jump hook and shooting the ball better. He should use it in the game.

    You guys think Rudy will come out with a different lineup tomorrow? I know hakeem will start but anyone else you guys think will or should start?
     
  2. CriscoKidd

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    Cato does need to work on his game. I would love to see him post up more often, but he just isnt consistent at this stage in his developement. If he could become a more consistent threat posting up, man, that would be awesome.

    Note to Rudy - work on Catos offensive game [​IMG]
     
  3. BobFinn*

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    heypartner: no offense taken. What the Rockets need to do when Cat has the ball, is set picks on the weak side to open up a shooter. Bull, Wiz and Francis all are very good shooters and would be even more dangerous if we could get them open shots. When Cato or Dream are covered, Mobes is stuck with the ball and tries to force a play.
    Also, the Rockets never seem to have cutters. This would cause a defense to adjust and cause mismatches. The Rockets are a quicker team than they have ever been, they should use it to their advantage.

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  4. Dr of Dunk

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    Rezdawg,

    Everybody's been picked on. Nobody's "isolating" Mobley. If you look at the other threads everybody short of Jesus has been proposed to be traded, blasted, etc. In the end it doesn't matter. They all make dumb plays, they all have lapses, almost all of them will leave or be traded, and as my dad once told me, "None of it should have a bearing on you so move on with your life". But then he wasn't a fan... [​IMG]

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  5. CriscoKidd

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    Man, we are gonna have matchup problem defensively. Unless Duncan starts to lite us up for 40, we should have Hakeem take Robinson, Pig and Tomas in commitee against Duncan.

    We are gonna need a big game from Thomas. Or a really bad game from Duncan.

    Maybe we could bring back TMass and have him go for "Timmy's" legs [​IMG]

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  6. TeXaSalsa

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    Cato does need to work on his game but he shoots the jump hook at a fairly good % and its not a hard shot. i wouldnt tell him to take Js. but simple moves like up and under and jump hook may be somewhat effective.
    it doesnt have to be just cato. all im sayin is look for someone other tahn hakeem to make a postup move. kenny T when hes on someone small or carlos also could fit the
    bill.

    BobFinn
    yah i agree cutters would be nice. as much as i hate the jazz their offense at times is truly effective. they have all kind of cutters, picks, etc.

    Francis3
    i say we let duncan/robinson get there pts. and try to shut all their other guys. almsot all of their role players killed us last night. we arent gonna stop duncan/robinson but i say try to limit the bench/other starters. i would carlos/kenny T on duncan
    and pig miller/hakeem on robinson.

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  7. CriscoKidd

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    Is Carlos coming back tommorow? Oh, and what about that Devin Grey? You guys think he should get any minutes tommorrow?

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  8. TeXaSalsa

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    carlos everyone has said will see some time tom. and i completely forgot about gray! he actually from what i saw plays excellent D. if anyone remembers that detroit game at the end in "garbage time" he did a NICE job on hill stripping him once or twice and brought a nice amount of energy.

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  9. Francis3

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    We will have trouble if we do put Kenny on Duncan. Duncan is soo much bigger than kenny. We need Carlos to play big tomorrow, not on offense but DEFENSE. He wont shut duncan down but make him have trouble on offense.

    Hakeem has to be big tomorrow. We cant let David Robinson have those numbers anymore.

    Something heypartner said that I think we should do also is to let francis post up johnson. Francis can take advantage of it and if they double he can throw it out to someone open.

    Spurs are the toughest team for the rockets because they take us out of the whole game plan we have. Wish we could of something like that, 2 guys up front that can block the hell out of you. Ohh wait I know what we can do, DRAFT KENYON MARTIN. Imagine a lineup like this.

    CATO
    MARTIN
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    Anderson
    Francis


    Teams will be scared to come in on us.
     
  10. CriscoKidd

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    Duncan will get his points. We need Hakeem to play good defense on Robinson. And someone needs to become a threat in the post to free up Mobley and Francis a little from that suffocating D. Houston's frontline isnt gonna get any respect from SAs D until they start to produce.

    Oh, and Francis3, I love Martin, especially for his rebounds and his hardwork on offense and defense(heart). But do you really think teams will be shaking in their boots when they drive it in and all 6'7" of Martin is there?

    Still,
    CATO
    MARTIN
    --------
    Anderson
    Francis

    Is a better line up than
    CATO
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    Anderson
    Francis


    [​IMG]
     
  11. Mango

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    Francis3,

    Can your man K Martin handle Duncan
    on defense? Duncan is bigger than Martin also.

    Mango
     
  12. Francis3

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    Now see, Kenyon might be 6'9, but he can handle almost anyone. Kenyon is quick, can block anything. Reminds me alot like Alonzo Mourning. By the way... Alonzo is only 6'10.

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  13. DaDakota

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    HeyPartner,

    What is it they say...If you can't say anything nice about someone....

    So, I will skip this thread.

    DaDakota
     
  14. heypartner

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    thx Dadakota.
     
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    This is more like it...thanks for all the contributions to the thread. Here's a lengthy response to everyone in turn. This is exciting because we get to break down one game and play that same team again tonight to focus on what we discussed. I just wish Cato was there. Because Dream trying to play 35 min will be ugly. That 3rd quarter he had was hands down the worst quarter I've ever seen him play.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Look,

    The bottom line is that the Rockets are too ONE dimensional right now.

    They isolate a guard, penetrate and dish to a cutter. Teams will let you do this for 3 quarters, but when it comes crunch time, they will take away your favorite play.

    The Rockets of old used to have the post inside out game and we said they were too one dimesional. I for one am glad Hakeem is back starting, it gives the Rockets a post game when Francis or Mobley is taken out of their game.

    This could have also been accomplished by having Kenny Thomas start.

    DaDakota
     
  17. CriscoKidd

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    heypart - wow, you really break those plays down purty good! I coulda swore that Francis has some iso plays too though, but maybe they are different than the set Mobes iso play?

    But back to the main point of the thread -

    Yeah, mobley does tend sometimes to force it. Today he should look for the illegal d, pass it to someone else if it looks to be a difficult play, and pick the right spots to try to make something happen. Mobes should have a better game today. I think they'll have to respect Rogers and even Hakeem out on the wing more than they did Cato. Rudy needs to make them pay dor that style of D!

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  18. Mango

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    heypartner,

    Your #4 is what I meant to say. If Anderson continues through, Robinson has to follow or he is illegal. Anderson should be open on the baseline because Robinson will only stray so far from the basket. Whatever it takes to move him over a few feet away from the basket. If they get the timing right, Robinson could easily get in foul trouble.

    Mango
     
  19. haven

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    I want to see Kenny Thomas play a two man game on the weak-side like Drexler and Hakeem used to. Francis takes the ball to the wing, and Thomas posts up. Francis dumps the ball in... if Thomas has an opportunity, he shoots, if no... he passes the ball out and sets a pick for Francis. Francis then drives hard, and tries for the layup (drunk)... as an escape measure, he can dish it back to Thomas, who's man may well be covering Francis now, for the 15 foot jumper... which THomas can hit fairly well.

    Heypartner: do you think that this would be possible given the skills of Thomas and Francis?

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  20. Dr of Dunk

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    Hmmm.



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