Whoever told you that Chandler has shown the ability to score, lied to you. Tyson has great length and is a nice offensive rebounder and while there is promise there, there are just as many question marks about his work ethic and desire, both of which areas he has shown virtually nothing. Tyson still has potential, but it is dwindling away and he is not doing anything to counter the reputation he is developing in the league. I like Tyson Chandler, but Van Gundy would eat him alive. I believe Chandler still can succeed but would be more suited under a players coach rather than a coach that demands perfection.
I thought Ostertag was also a free agent. Hey a backup is a backup. A huge backup coming off the bench.
The guy also only played 26 games. That should be something to worry about. Did he have some injury or what? I would take a shot at a sign and trade for Dampier. I think he is a JVG type player. Big body with long wing span, blocks shots, and plays defense. He's an improved version of Kelvin Cato because he can also score some points. The only question would be his effort, but I think he's worth the risk. Maybe Mo Taylor + the TE for Dampier S&T and a bad contract? Just a thought.
Chandler really isn't that bad on the offensive end - most of his problems come from his horrible hands (like Kevin Willis, he has disproportionately small hands. Unlike Kevin Willis, he has very long arms). He's an excellent ballhandler for a player his size and has a developing jumpshot from 8-10 feet out. More importantly, Tyson has shown a remarkable work ethic and worked very hard to improve his game. Frankly though, if a guy can't get minutes on the Bulls, I worry. How many of you would be completely opposed to bringing Shawn Bradley over from the Mavs? He's not a great post defender, but he can still block shots in bunches and grab an occaisional rebound. He also commits hard fouls and nails opposing centers with elbows. He wouldn't be that bad as a 15mpg backup.
jason used to play for us, but we dropped him. Atlanta picked him up from the nbdl a little after mid season, thats why he played only 26 games
Thanks for the info. I knew that he played for us. That notorious Pryzbilla-Collier exchange a few drafts ago, but I didn't know if he was doing a Euro tour, injured, or as you explained NBDL.
Tyson Chandler would be an intriguing prospect due to his youth and length but I think the Rockets are looking in another direction. With Yao and McGrady, I think JVG believes he has his high potential type guys and would want to fill the roster in with established, hard working veterans. I think depending on who else we add this offseason, we could realistically enter the season with hopes of being a contender. That wouldn't bode well for adding a 21 year old to play in the toughest position in the Western Conference. Not that I'm saying that I wouldn't pursue Chandler, but I don't think we'de have enough to acquire him from the Bulls. Would the two parties be willing to swap the trade exception for Chandler and a bad contract? The guy I'de really look at is Erick Dampier. He's going to come expensive, but averaged 12 rebounds per game last season and is an excellent defender.
OK -- offer to swallow AD's contract + Chandler for Mo and TE. TC gets time to grow as AD gets KC's '5' minutes and Juwann gets MO's '4' minutes. By end of year, TC gets all of KC's minutes.
I'd love that scenario. Antonio Davis's contract would come off the books after the 05/06 season which is when we'll need cap room to resign Yao and Tyson Chandler (and even Boki Nachbar if he pans out). After that season the only player we'd have signed would be Tracy McGrady and Juwan Howard should he still be here, so we should have plenty of room to keep Yao and Chandler around. Tracy McGrady's current contract is covered up through the 06/07 season as is but I'm assuming it will be extended should this deal go through.
If the T-Mac trade happens similar to what is currently being reported.........doesn't the situation look similar to this? <b>Center</b> Yao <b>PF</b> J Howard M Taylor C Weatherspoon <b>SF - SG</b> J Jackson Boki T-Mac Adrian G Unless Mo or Howard or Weatherspoon is moved, where do the minutes come from for another player to play some at the PF? None of those three can play extended (quality) minutes at the 5 and there would only be very limited situations that one of them could step out and guard a 3. Weatherspoon & Howard are on the wrong side of 30 and Mo seems satisfied with the current level of <i>play</i>. It is a shame that Mo + Howard + Spoon will represent 19 - 20 million in salary and people are trying to find another player to cover some minutes at the PF.
The proposed idea is that Mo Taylor is packaged with the TE for Antonio Davis + Tyson Chandler. So there would only be Howard and Spoon left. It would also solve another problem since Antonio Davis is very capable of playing back up center as well. I agree it's sad that those three players represent 20 million of our cap and we we're looking for another 4, but that says alot about what we think of those three players.
actually from what I've seen from Tyson in high school (i went to some of the games) and in the pro so far he is going to be a good player, but not a franchise player like he was projected to be. Personally I would love to see him on the rockets he could a perfect fit for us at the 4 and backup at the 5. He is really tall and long and has great hops for a big man. He rebounds the ball very well on both ends of the court. His scoring does need to be worked on, but the good news was that the games I've seen on WGN over the past 2 seasons is that he gets most of his scoring on hustle plays, like cleaning the glass on the offensive end. Shaky jumper, but that can be improved on. I cant say about his work ethic havent read about that but if we can send them the TE+pick+MoTay for Chandler+Jerome williams, i'd do it immediately. Taylor would be a nice fit for them a reliable post prescence as A davis doesnt really post anymore and Curry, well he is still a 4 year project. would they do it? I dont know obviously paxson wasnt happy with chandler (pants incident anyone?) last season but i think with a coach like JVG chandler can be a great fit for the team
That's a pretty good trade. Now our bigs are Yao, AD, JH, TC, and CW. You gotta have at least 5 bigs in this league right now to win. Otherwise a team with Shaq and Karl or the Pistons will eat you up on the interior. I also like Keon Clark for some reason as a backup C/PF. I think he is a FA. Wonder what it would take to sign him? I think he would fit the Van Gundy mold quite well but he doesn't have a 15 footer so I wouldn't want him as a starter with Yao. The starting PF has to be able to can the jumper. I also like Jason Collier if we can get him cheap (minimum). He's got a nice 15 footer, very consistent shooter. And he's a big body that can board (better rebounding positioning than Yao at this point) and throw 6 fouls at Shaq daddy. Mark Blout only works for the right price. If he wants the big dollars let some other fool team give them to him because if he is going to be their starting 5, we will have a total mismatch when we play them. I really liked what I saw from Skinner that last couple years. The dude is a hustle player, dives for balls, etc. If he would come here for the right money, yes. It's all about getting value for the rest of our money and the TE now. We are going to find players who are willing to take a little bit less than the market will yield for the opportunity to play with Yao and McGrady, get easy shots, play a little D, and win rings. I sure hope if we deal the TE to Detroit that we demand to get Darko back.
(everything assumes T-Mac) We may just have to live with Mo and Howard at PF. They may not provide the enforcer/rebounding we'd like, but they are pretty good players with hard to move contracts. I'd say we need to focus on a back-up Center. Yao hasn't been hurt yet but big guys can develop problems..backs, knees, feet. If he were out for an extended period, we got nuthin. Also, the better his back-up is the more rest he can get during the season. A competant back-up could help lower his minutes per game significantly. I'd say we need to atleast use all the MLE on a C. Or we could use the trade exception, but that requires some other team taking a player we have left on the roster so we aren't exactly dealing from a position of strength.
