People can say what they want about how great Dan's moves were. But after Britney was evicted and Ian was on his own, he won hoh and used it to reinvent the quack pack. That was all ian, and this was even after dan swore on everything to frank that he wouldn't vote him out, that he was a pawn and they were working together. If you think about it, that move alone cost Dan frank's vote and it was all orchestrated by ian.
The other problem I have is the format change - it encourages bitterness and not rewarding gameplay. In the old days, when the F2 was decided days before the finale... the entire jury could convene and have a legitimate discussion and Q&A with the finalists. It wasn't on live TV and often lasted hours. In this case, that would include Danielle. For example, I have little doubt that Jenn liked Dan FAR more than Ian... until she realized that every other person with her disagreed, and she made up her vote long before Danielle even showed up. Group think. I think a big reason for Dan throwing the final HOH to Ian was the potential impact Danielle could have for him in the jury... but that was mitigated by the approximate two commercial breaks she had before the vote. Likewise, in the old days, Dan would have all the time in the world to make his case and outline all the moves he made. Now? 90 seconds and only one question per juror. I get that taking a third person to the finale and having everything play out live is fun for the casual viewer. It's good for ratings and promotes intrigue. It also, however, promotes bitterness and devalues the spirit of the game as it was the first 10 seasons. I miss that Big Brother. Dan brought it back for most of the summer, but the finale leaves a bitter taste.
he didn't throw the final HOH. he wanted to take danielle to the finals. he knew he didn't have a good shot at beating ian. not only that, that comp is pretty much impossible to throw, unless you make an arrangement with opponent that you will guess all "A"'s or something like that. the questions are designed to be 50/50 guesses.
When ever Dan needs a comp win he never gets it; he had all his bases covered if he would have just won a competition. Dan knew he couldn't win against Ian. I'm actually surprised Ian didn't get Fan Fav money. Dan deserves that $500,000 but I'm glad he didn't win it since he already won, but 50 grand isn't a bad consolation prize. This season was surprisingly fun. some one needs to do a "Danielle is shocked, again" meme asap.
Guessed right on the Ian win, but i guess he wasn't eligible for the Fave award because he would have won. Fans loved Ian. I gotta agree that it takes away from the game for people to vote bitterly....it's happening in survivor as well and it's a shame.....hopefully they'll cast better in the future. They should have also made it into a 2 hour finale and let the jury ask many more questions. The jury doesn't get enough answers to make better decisions. They all want to know "why" and many don't have time to ask. shane looked more relaxed after Dan answered him, but it was post-voting. Ashley looked like she'd bang Ian on the spot to get some of that prize money... I wonder what changed Brittney's vote. She was pro-Dan the whole way.
It's too bad they don't have longer speeches to make the case. When they watch this later, I think even while bitter, they'll be amazed at how Dan got people to do whatever he wanted, including Ian a number of times, even getting him to give up the first round, and pick him for the final. Dan was thinking several steps ahead, and accurately. Manipulating Danielle, Jen, and Frank all the way. Taking advantage of each of them. Too bad he lost. But I do think Boogie was right, Ian did play, and he did grow up fast, and he did take the game into his own hands. So he's a decent winner, but I think when they see how he was manipulated by Dan they'll realize Dan outplayed him. It is a social game too. And ironically, that's the game Dan played. It's just caused a lot of bitterness. I don't mind jury's voting the way they want. That's part of the game. And it's up to the players to figure that out. Dan did, and he tried to sway them back, but just not enough in the end.
I don't know why they didn't show it on the show, but Dan while alone and speaking to the cameras has been saying ever since part 2 ended (Saturday night) that he was throwing it. That his best shot was against Ian if Ian won. All the stuff you saw was pre-Saturday. Once Danielle became legitimately pissed at Ian, Dan thought his best chance was with an angry Dani in the jury... but she didn't have the time to get anything done. EDIT: In post-finale interviews, I'm reading that even Shane never went to the jury house (evicted a week ago). Instead, he was sequestered alone in a hotel for six days. Kind of ridiculous that two of the seven members basically don't even get to talk about it and have a calming down period. I know it makes for more drama, and an angry Shane is good for viewers... but it sucks for the spirit of the game, and I think the result is going to be boring "group vote" years where people are terrified to make any sort of surprising moves.
Like it or not, there are some people who don't like it when you swear on the Bible, your wedding ring, your wife's life, only for it all to be a lie. Everyone realizes they will be lied to, but you can't expect people to just There is no way you could expect Frank and Shane to vote for Dan after what he did to them. Jenn was just a pawn and loyal to Frank, so you can understand why she didn't. He backstabbed Britney, so you can see why she would vote for Ian. And it's not like Ian was an Ashley-esque type player. If it wasn't for him, the quack pack would've never survived, or possibly even created. He was able to completely blind-side one of the best players in the game and he was able to both get blood on his hands, but was able to do so without completely alienating those players. I mean, Boogie was downright complimentary of Ian's move to get him out of the game and Frank, while I'm sure would've voted for almost anyone else instead of Ian, was never going to vote for Dan over him. And that's not even bringing into account the natural aversion to giving someone another $500k who's already won it. IOW, it's really silly to quit watching the show because Ian won over Dan or because a television show trying to appeal to a broader audience. If they only focused on the "gamers" like yourself (LOL), there wouldn't be a Big Brother to even watch.
I think that's what it really came down to. Britney was pro-dan, despite getting blindsided. She's admitted several times he played a better game. Jen was on the same boat. She was more upset about Ian being a rat than Dan lying. She also said Dan's actions were great game play. In the end, i think those two figured Dan didn't need to win again, so they voted for Ian to make it a lopsided win. I was expecting a 4-3 vote otherwise, still in Ian's favor. (i thought ashley would vote for dan also) Looks like getting boogie out before frank may have cost Dan the win. Frank was a loud one on the jury and probably influenced Ashley's vote and Shane fed off of Frank's anti-Dan attitude. <object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eqOT5HDyfpg?version=3&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eqOT5HDyfpg?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
Disagree completely. It's a game. It was the only way he could get to the end. Dan controlled things from start to finish and it should have been respected. Plenty of people have been backstabbed in the history of BB and gone on to vote for the player that backstabbed them. The only person which Dan swore on the Bible to and lied was Frank, who shouldn't even have been in the game (and he knows it). Frank was gone week 3 if not for the producer pulling the unprecedented act of cancelling an eviction just to save her favorite. That forced Dan's hand to do some crazy things (swearing on the Bible) if he had any chance of earning Frank's trust and staying in the game. Why even play the game, then? Just sit everyone down the first night, let them all explain their financial situations, and whoever needs it the most wins. Respectfully disagree, again. The show did completely fine with that focus in its first 10 seasons, eight of which were by Arnold Shapiro as producer. It's only gone this direction from Season 11 onward under Allison Grodner, and that's what I don't respect. To give the final juror only five minutes with the jury and the second-to-last juror about 30 minutes (Shane was sequestered at a hotel for six nights), it's just asking for bitterness and punishing strategic gameplay. Look, I understand that no jury will be perfect. There's a risk to backstabbing. But I don't have to watch if the show changes its format to make it worse, and I think I'm perfectly justified in doing so.
To reiterate, Dan knew this and successfully pulled it off (getting Frank out before Boogie). The producers nullified it by cancelling the eviction.
wow, dan said in "post-game" interviews that he was planning on evicting danielle if he won HOH. also admitted that, from what he heard about jury disliking her, it would have been a mistake.
The jurors won't ever truly know how much Dan ran the entire house until they go home and watch the entire season. Every single one, including Ian, will be sitting like
Caught the final 3 on CBS earlier today....apparently Ian wrote out a game plan to winning big brother, which the show "confiscated" before he entered the house...from what i saw, he followed most of it. Edit- here's a link: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/big-brother/big-brother-14-winner-ian-terr-47561.aspx
