Big Bob currently under fire: "Cant let the inmates run the prison"

What is my position?

I have a question. Do you think I'm faking it as a former Marine grunt who almost literally had his leg severed off in service to this country when bigots use veterans and my service as a shield to attack these protests?

Do you think that part is fake to me?

 

Well, especially now that they're protesting the owner, they should refuse to accept his money. Correct? Like, tear up their contracts.

Otherwise ...

 

Seriously. These sensitive snowflakes going crazy have invented so much drama.

 

Except players earn millions.

 

It isn’t his money being given to them. He is basically a conduit for fans and tv companies to pay players for their entertainment value.

 

Use that mass between your ears for a second.

Your premise basically logically entails that an employer can demean their employees and the only way a employee can express frustration is stop their livelyhood and salary.

So in essence, the employee is punished for the actions of the employer? How does that make any sense to you?

Use logic much?

 

Not just that. He's making the case that if an employer performs a transgression towards an employee such as verbal or sexual assult, the employee out of principle should refuse pay in essence punishing the employee for the actions of the employer? Who would agree to this?

 

Or traded for Jimmy Graham.

 

How does them earning millions negate the fact that an employer that is not of the military forcing their employees to perform in nationalistic cerominies is akin to a communist/authoritarian state?

The employee's monetary value has nothing to do with it?

 

So you are saying eliminate the owners and the league would survive?

Players would have to unite much like Green Bay tax payers do, supporting/paying their team/players.

CTE studies will turn the NFL into flag football anyway. Players are shortening their max financial window.
The book ends are: now to until the public/congress say no more violent collision contact.

One former player put it best, “taking violence out of football is like taking wetness out of water.”

Players just want attention like diva drama queens.....hurting themselves.
Players can protest after the game. As they would if the league were to disband immediately.
Claiming that the game is their stage is bogus; they have a stage 24 hrs a day 7 days a week.
Exception—game day

 

You'd need CEO types still running the league office, but yes I think specifically the owners are not necessary to the success of the league anymore. The owners of the past were instrumental because the risked significant financial capital to make a league work. Today's owners have nearly zero risk. Anytime a franchise sells now it's just transferring to the next already rich person who will suck on the teet for a while and get that sports team valuation milk. I don't even mean that as an insult, it's not like the owners HURT the league or anything, it's just that if you got rid of every single owner and the league was instead a publicly traded company with Roger Goodell as the CEO with all his same staff and support it wouldn't materially change the league.

You'd still need each team to have local leadership of course for business negotiations, but that's still true even with an owner.

I'm not advocating for some sort of change by the way, I'm cool with the ownership model. Doesn't matter to me, just disputing the idea that owners are taking some sort of risk and players are taking their money.

 

You keep saying McNair called players inmates and that's a flat out lie. He called league officials inmates. The media, the players, and you keep perpetuating that lie.

 

Well he says that's what he meant, but Troy Vincent and the players in the room say the opposite.

It's also a little illogical that he'd call "league officials" the inmates running the asylum when league officials would be running things.

 

I believe the players are leaning towards your thinking.

Eliminate the middle man; which is the owners.

Maybe that would quicken the maturity process and help keep guys from acting out and landing in jail.
I matured a lot with the birth of my daughter. Player antics would need to halt. I think the Broncos
had to replace a top guy a few years ago for suspect actions.

 

I never said, or assumed, a forum was "narrow", only "not representative". The people who comment on a given topic on a forum, on the other hand, are often very specific. Majority opinions frequently go unexpressed.

Sure, but when their "getting offended" displays ignorance the it's simply stating objective fact. Furthermore, there's no evidence that a "very large group of people" considered this comment offensive nor is there any reason to believe that's true.

Again, displaying ignorance and taking offense aren't inherently related. It's possible to do both at the same time and no one is obligated to avoid commenting on one because of the other.

There is literally nothing to suggest that "majority black" had anything to do with the comment and It is racist to suggest otherwise. This is a case of people looking to be outraged in order to further personal agendas. I would suspect that virtually no one was offended by the comment as it's meaning was clear and was neither racist nor offensive. Save your resentment, and your efforts, for when actual racism is displayed and when there's more at stake than some stupid statue or giving a politician a black eye.

 

Let me be clear: if the players are running things it will be a disaster. Most players have very little education, particularly in business and would struggle to run even a machine such as the NFL.

 

It’s been all over different news channels saying it was wrong and how Bob should be embarrassed. With so many negative reactions, I think that’s what the poster sees as majority of people.

 

Josina Anderson(ESPN):

I talked to Texans LT Duane Brown who told me before the team traveled to Seattle they would have a meeting with the players, GM & Owner to discuss their feelings & that's when Bob McNair shared his feelings. He said at that point it was very emotional in the room. He also told me at that point after the owner spoke, there was a lot of reaction amongst the players. One defensive player told me once he delivered that message, he said I don't feel like any business owner, anyone like that should be saying anything like that. I don't accept his apology. I don't think it's right. Obviously Bob McNair said this because he felt it would never leak out of the room. Once McNair left, it was very emotional in the room & at one point thought they all had an agreement all players would kneel before kickoff. Once they had another meeting last night with the coach in which he addressed players & expressed support for whatever they do, there was a sentiment shift of we got to get back to football. 15 minutes ago, Duane Brown told me he anticipates 65%-70% of the players, maybe less, will kneel today. Some players are still conflicted about what they'll do but no players will be removing decals from their helmets. That's what he anticipates before kickoff today.

Any response from Seattle?

I talked to Doug Baldwin. I initially spoke to him Friday. He said he wanted to take some time & gather my thoughts. After McNair delivered his apology saying the inmate comment did not apply to players but rather people in the league office, he said "It's disgusting either way." He went on to tell me this: "I am not surprised ... it is a mindset that would come about from anybody that is in power, and who abuses that power or, thinks as themselves as the power. Yes, is it disgusting? Absolutely. Is it wrong? Yes. I condemn his thoughts, his words in every facet. However, I'm in the opinion that (Texans owner Bob McNair) is just ignorant. If he knew how offensive those words were, how truly offensive his words were, if he knew how passionate his players are and people in this league are in impacting lives in a positive way, then he wouldn't say the things that he did. He wouldn't feel the way that he feels. So in some ways, I feel sorry for him because he hasn't expanded his mind to this point to incorporate the things that I just mentioned."

I asked, do you accept McNair's apology? He said no. He said, as a man of faith & as a human being, I do forgive him. I asked if he thinks McNair's comments warrants canceling the Players' Coalition meeting set for Monday? He said "No, I think McNair's comments can work together for the good to uncover things that were necessary to actually grow the situation forward."​