I mean this when I say this, not trolling. Maybe you and @Os Trigonum could put a list together of silly things that he said that did happen versus those that didn't. If you guys don't do it, I wish someone that isn't in it for views or monetary reasons would put it together just would like the bias taking out of it. Would be nice to put it in perspective. I know during the Trump years I felt pretty stressed, but then I wonder, if this was correlated with me caring more about politics and following **** more closely. I see how dramatic conservatives were about Biden's years, then it makes me wonder about myself. I really didn't follow politics closely prior to 2016, so I was just not emotionally invested, and definitely had no clue of the decisions that could potentially impact my every day life, besides a few topics here and there.
I listed some off the top of my head. But -Put forward idea of fake electors being used to steal an election Trump knew that he lost and hold on to power did happen -Seizing voting machines with the military was suggested by Trump but didn't happen. -Starting the Space Force did happen -Showed Classified documents with acquaintances and a media person who didn't have clearance to view or handle classified information did happen. -Refused to return classified material and attempted to have lawyers destroy the classified material as well as hide it and keep it concealed. At least some of the lawyers denied Trump's request. Mentioned General Milley was guilty of treason and could have been shot for his act. There was no chance to do that or to not do that. Currently he has agreed to: -Put Herschel Walker with a high school diploma and military leadership experience or experience of any kind in charge of the United States Missile Defense program. - Has mentioned deporting 20 million undocumented immigrants. The highest previous estimates were 12 million and he hasn't verified where his 20 million figure comes from. - Has mentioned using the United States military to arrest American citizens who have different political views that he claims are dangerous to the nation. He has mentioned some serving congressional members as qualifying. - Has suggested punishing, fining, and even imprisoning journalists who publish unfavorable stories about him. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head, and only include actions by the government. They don't include silly statements such as Haitian immigrants eating people's pets.
I don't know about that. Biden seems to be declining more rapidly now. I expect he will lose all influence in the party the moment he leaves the White House. He will make no public appearances or make public comments, won't be doing private speaking engagements, nor even private counsel to active politicians. To do any of that will just expose his cognitive decline. He will retire quietly to his home for however long he can bathe himself and then will move to an assisted living facility until he dies. If Trump had some power over him through his son, there really isn't anything useful Trump could leverage him for. The only thing he could get is revenge.
They will want his assistance in wrangling in the Democrats but If they cannot get that . . . Revenge will do Rocket River
Bill Clinton says he’s open to talking to Biden about preemptive pardon for Hillary Clinton https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-about-preemptive-pardon-for-hillary-clinton/
Biden commutes roughly 1,500 sentences and pardons 39 people in biggest single-day act of clemency https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-ne...people-in-biggest-single-day-act-of-clemency/
I know it's in vogue to criticize the pardon power but I'm actually a fan. It's a nice check on the judicial system, a system I don't have all that much faith in.
Jan. 6 committee chair says he’d accept preemptive pardon if Biden offers https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5037305-bennie-thompson-preemptive-pardon-joe-biden/ excerpt: Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), former chair of the Jan. 6 committee, said in a Thursday interview that he would accept a preemptive pardon from President Biden if he offered one. more at the link
It is necessary to some degree. The problem is using it for those well connected rather than those who simply deserve a new lease on life.
Maybe it's just the case those are the pardons you hear about in the media the most? Presidents will issues hundreds or thousands of pardons but the ones you hear about are the "controversial" ones. That's what sells newspapers and drives ratings.
It is the ones you hear about the most. I'm not okay with the Hunter Biden pardon. I'm happy for those 1500 people getting commutations.
Although the claim is correct, context is needed. Jin was granted clemency and returned to China as part of a prisoner exchange. Two other Chinese citizens were exchanged with three US citizens in Chinese custody. He is not eligible to return to the US. Bravo for community notes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/12/12/preemptive-pardons-biden-trump-justice/ Biden should rule out preemptive pardons Trump might target his enemies, but get-out-of-jail-free cards are unnecessary and imply guilt. Opinion Editorial Board December 12, 2024 at 5:22 p.m. EST Today at 5:22 p.m. EST President Joe Biden used his pardon power on Thursday as the Constitution’s framers had intended: as a pre-Christmas act of mercy. He commuted the sentences of nearly 1,500 people who were released to home confinement during the pandemic and whom the president believes have successfully readjusted into society. He pardoned 39 others convicted of nonviolent crimes, such as drug offenses, following a case-by-case review of their applications. This is a stark contrast to Mr. Biden’s ill-considered pardon of his son Hunter and to the misguided notion, still under discussion within the White House, of preemptive pardons for people who might be at risk of vindictive prosecution by President-elect Donald Trump. Though Mr. Biden has the prerogative to confer broad immunity with what are sometimes called safe harbor or protective pardons, doing so now on a large scale would be difficult to achieve, at least with any principled consistency. And it would unavoidably imply that any beneficiary broke the law in zealous pursuit of Mr. Trump. Perhaps most worrying, it would create a precedent that future presidents would use to justify their own misuses of the pardon power. To be sure, Democratic fears of retribution from Mr. Trump rose when the president-elect announced his intention to install as FBI director Kash Patel, who published a 60-person enemies list in a book last year and has pledged to pursue vengeance against critics of the incoming president. Pam Bondi, Mr. Trump’s pick for attorney general, said on Fox News last year: “The prosecutors will be prosecuted, the bad ones.” Adding a sense of urgency to the debate, Mr. Trump said Sunday on NBC that members of the House committee that investigated Jan. 6, 2021, “committed a major crime” and “should go to jail.” Names reportedly under consideration for preemptive pardons include retired Gen. Mark A. Milley, Anthony S. Fauci and former congresswoman Liz Cheney (R-Wyoming). And yet one reason not to grant them pardons is that alternative protections remain available to possible targets. Lawmakers such as Ms. Cheney are protected by the Constitution’s speech or debate clause, which prohibits the prosecution of a lawmaker for fulfilling their legislative duties. Juries, judges and appellate courts could halt potential miscarriages of justice. The court of public opinion also counts; Republicans will defend their narrow House majority in 2026. Imagine what might happen if senior administration officials presumed that they would get pardons at the end of every administration. Border Patrol agents could be told they would get away with assaulting migrants. A president could direct an aide to lie under oath to Congress. President Gerald Ford granted his predecessor, Richard M. Nixon, a preemptive pardon after Nixon’s resignation. The blanket pardon probably cost Ford the election two years later — but history has looked upon it with kinder eyes because it helped the nation heal after Watergate. In that sense, Ford’s pardon of Nixon is an exception that proves the rule. With sweeping preemptive pardons, however, Mr. Biden would — in the eyes of roughly half the electorate — be protecting his cronies from accountability. This would deepen the feeling, exacerbated by the Hunter Biden pardon, that there’s a two-tier system of justice. And for all that, even the broadest presidential pardon couldn’t fully protect someone Mr. Trump was determined to harass. His IRS could engage in selective audits. The Justice Department’s Antitrust Division could scrutinize someone’s business. Without the protection of the Fifth Amendment to avoid self-incrimination, congressional Republicans could subpoena beneficiaries of the pardons. The hearings that followed would be perjury traps — and Mr. Biden’s pardons could not cover future crimes. Conservative prosecutors in Republican-run states could try to contrive local charges. If he follows this course, Mr. Biden will be doing something that Mr. Trump opted not to do when he left office in January 2021 — at a time when few conceived of his return to the presidency four years later. Mr. Trump considered pardoning himself and his adult children. At least half a dozen Republican members of Congress who were involved in the plot to overturn the 2020 election had also sought preemptive pardons, including then-Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Florida), according to the Jan. 6 committee. But, on the final Saturday before Mr. Trump left office, White House attorneys convinced him that issuing broad pardons would signal the appearance of guilt, make him more vulnerable to reprisals and increase the odds that Senate Republicans would vote to convict him during his second impeachment trial. This is one case in which Mr. Biden would be well advised to follow Mr. Trump’s example.
I might agree. However, the precedent was already set with the previous administration. Though to Trump's credit several MAGA folk were worried enough about their guilt to request parsons and they weren't granted.
