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Biden is a joke; will not vote again for him

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by what, Jun 16, 2021.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    I don't know what a hypothetical insurgency in the US would look like but I do know using the Taliban as an example of its potential success is incredibly stupid because of the reasons I gave.
     
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  2. HTM

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    Unless you find a perfect and exact comparison you'll get a "Well actually..." guy on the internet.. usually angry, rude and dismissive as is your style. There never will be a perfect comparison. For a sitting President to assert that, "YoU'Ll NeEd NuKeS" or "YoU'll NeED F-15's" is asinine and shows a lack of forethought or imagination. Strong governments with massive militaries can be brought to their knees by thinly armed populaces foreign or domestic and have been many many times throughout history. Take your pick of examples.

    https://news.yahoo.com/biden-mocked-gun-rights-advocates-084157082.html
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    This isn't about a near perfect comparison. This is about priorities for allocation of resources for backing a foerign government in a third world nation by supplementing and training their new military and police force vs defending homeland. One if those is going to garner far more allocation of resources.

    If you want to look through a contemporary lense with modern arms and technology, pretty much every overthrowing of a regime in modern times is won through the backing of the standing military of said nation such as Egypt or in Myanmar.

    So the only way a armed insurrection of the people in the US is successful is if the entity that controls those f-15s are on their side. The gap between Individual small arms vs crew served weaponry and machines of warfare has increased exponentially over the past century.
     
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  4. HTM

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    Libya?
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Yes f15s were involved in that also. The side fighting against them lost.
     
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    It started with a popular insurgency with limited arms ... it was then aided by F-15's against an established military... no nukes... could happen for Americans as well.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Like I said I would assume any insurengrcy in the US to succeed would require the backing of the US military. Small arms ownership for American citizens wouldn't be the deciding factor. It would be what side the military supports.
     
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    It doesn't have to be the U.S. military... as seen in Libya... who knows what the state of the U.S. military is in this future hypothetical anyways.

    You're also ignoring the Nukes part of the statement... what use would those be for the government against a popular insurgency? The U.S. is gonna Nuke it's own areas in rebellion? :rolleyes:
     
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    I never refered to nukes. The US military has a massive air/land/sea superiority to anything that exists on this planet without nukes. Good luck with any foerign power helping US insurgency with what? 11 nuclear powered carriers with each individually having the air/land/sea firepower of entire nations surrounding the homeland along with all our land to air defense systems.

    I'm pretty sure one US naval carrier has more firepower than the entirety Gaddafi's former forces.
     
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    Biden referred to nukes.

    Which presumes the U.S. military stays as big and powerful as it is now whenever a hypothetical insurgency takes place and all other militaries stay relatively small. Also, there could be all levels of fracture in the U.S. military in case of an insurrection... anywhere from 1% of the military to 100% of the military.

    Then there are non-military considerations in an insurgency such as public support for the regime/suppression of the insurgency. Perhaps the regime says, "its nor worth it" and lets some part of the areas in rebellion leave. Infinite scenarios. Rebels don't necessarily need to go toe-to-toe with the U.S. military to effectuate their objectives.
     
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    You're delusional if you think there would be a fracture in such occasion. People here buy into all this bullshit military is woke and culture war bs. The us military alongside with nsa are the powerful agencies in the world by a mile. If such occasion ever happened the nsa would have a list of army ranks to be assinated. What biden said was 100% about over throwing our government.
     
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    pretty funny

    "As Biden bumbles, the question is: Who’s really running the country?":

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/28/as-biden-bumbles-whos-really-running-the-us/

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    Chris Rock famously said, when Barack Obama was president, “The president and the first lady are kind of like the mom and the dad of the country. And when your dad says something, you listen.”

    Joe Biden, though, is the granddad of the country, and when you listen to Granddad, sometimes you wonder whether it’s safe for him to be near a pair of scissors.

    No big deal, though; it’s just that there’s this guy who looks like he’d have trouble using Google Maps and he happens to be in charge of all the nukes. On the rare occasions when Biden’s staff let him out of the dayroom to be seen on camera, pre-selected members of the press ask him the gentlest conceivable questions and then wind up cringing anyway as Biden gives one unnerving display after another.

    Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin must watch these press conferences giggling uncontrollably at their good fortune: Suddenly the world’s greatest power is in the hands of a slightly dazed-looking fellow who seems like he is always just waking up from heavy anesthesia.
    more at the link
     
  13. dobro1229

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    Donald Trump once told people they could treat Covid by injecting themselves with bleach.

    The NY Post supported that guy.

    You say you didn’t but the obvious conclusion is you did too.

    Maybe there is a conversation to be had about an age limit on the presidency, but it’s not one that you or the NYPost can have serious credibility on. Biden is who he’s always been. Maybe he’s a bit more weathered but so am I in comparison to myself 10 years ago.

    Who is running the country?? Ron Klain has a pretty damn big role in the day to day operations but I have no doubt that Biden still has a final say on pretty much all the major decisions. It’s a Democracy though and like a Democracy it should be sort of a team game.

    This isn’t the scandal you or the right wing propaganda networks think it is, or want it to be. The only reason it probably is even a thing is because Trump is the most vein person on earth and probably is obsessed with people telling him all day long that he’s younger looking than Biden.
     
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    lol
     
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    He was literally their emergency plan coming out of retirement.

    People have a short term memory.
     
  16. Amiga

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    That's just how Joe is forever lol. People tying this back to the same ole - oh Joe isn't there is such a stretch that remind you of the phrase - you see what you believe.

    Here is a good criterion to use. Do you understand him and does it make logical sense? I can easily understand what he was saying. Can't said that for the previous president.
     
  17. dobro1229

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    Actually we don't have a short term memory. Many of us still know exactly why and the exact circumstances that led to Biden being president all too well. As a Dem voter who made the decision to vote for him on Super Tuesday I can tell you why he was the nominee, but not sure if you really care to understand or not.

    If you do care to understand the decision it's simple. Dem voters were smart enough to see that Iowa and New Hampshire primaries were panning out in a way where there was a real risk of a lack of consolidation of the voter bases needed to put a tent over the party and get full turnout which was needed to beat the highly consolidated right wing under MAGA Nationalism.

    Biden debated better than expected, and then he cleaned house in South Carolina in a way that got everyones attention about his ability to turnout the African American base which, if anyone knows anything about how Dems win elections, ultimately was a huge factor in voters like myself making the decision that he was the best nominee to turn out voters, and rebuild that coalition needed to get Trump out of office.

    That was step 1, and it was a success albeit not without a violent insurrection of course.

    However step 2 is governing, and most believe that he's doing much better than one could hope at least till this point where there's a Joe Manchin Kristin Sinema problem. That's basically where the Dem base voters are at right now. Step 3 or Step 4.... we'll see, but for now he's not seen as an "emergency plan", but Trump was an emergency for Democracy for sure so yeah of course 2020 was not the right time for exploratory candidates who had high levels of risk for sure.

    And when it comes to F-ing around with Democracy, yeah... sorry... I don't like to take too many risks and I'm assuming 60% of the country feels the same way too at some level.

    What the Right seems to not really comprehend though is nobody on the left gives as rats ass about how old Biden looks, or 99% of the other nonsense that FoxNews spends their time telling you about what Dems want or do not want. We kinda just want simple Sh$t... like healthcare that doesn't send me into bankrupcy, good education for my kids, and a government who actually cares about the environment which is spiraling out of control.... oh and the preservation of everyones ability to vote would be nice too.

    It aint that hard to comprehend. Biden is fine, and he'll probably be the nominee again just fine too.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    Haha
     
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    Where they really strong governments?

    Those thinly armed populace were usually backed by other governments or the military.

    Can you give examples of these thinly armed populaces?
     
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    Libya was not a strong government and they were armed about as well as the government and had parts of the military on their side.
     
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