It's how politics work in the country. The Republicans all work together to push their political agenda when they power, the Dems absolutely have to play by the same game. Dems should ruthlessly go for the throat of blue dogs who try to block desperately needed progress by the Dem party for this country. Sorry for posting in unison to yalls convo lol just felt like chiming in
What does that have to do with the question I asked? Yes you can criticize whoever you want for whatever you want and I can ignore it because you are hyper partisan and don't really don't know what you are talking about.
That's not how politics work in this country, that did not start in earnest until Turtle took over. Democrats don't have to play the same game this is not a game. Democrats are supposed to be big tent and be able to have different opinions on things, politics are not supposed to be an all or nothing thing. It's sad that you think that is healthy for a country and will solve anything, so then when republicans regain power then what? We just keep swinging wildly to the extremes? I don't mind you butting in its actually eye opening that you feel this way, if you think this that tells me alot about what will happen over the next 2 years.
If I was "hyper partisan" I would be defending all democrats regardless of context. So no. And very convincing argument. I'll consider you telling me I don't know "what I'm talking about". Look, if you have disagreements with me, express why rather than just telling me you disagree and that disagement angers you. I already know that. You really do hound me and it's kinda creepy at this point.
Senate Can't Vote On $15 Minimum Wage, Parliamentarian Rules Senate Democrats will not be forced to confront an internal political battle over increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 following a decision by the primary keeper of Senate rules. The Senate parliamentarian ruled that a plan to gradually increase the federal minimum wage to $15 by 2025 does not fit the complicated rules that govern budget bills in the Senate. House Democrats included the measure in a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill that is expected to be the first major legislative act for President Biden. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-NY, said he is disappointed in the decision and pledged to pursue other legislation to increase the minimum wage. "We are not going to give up the fight to raise the minimum wage to $15 to help millions of struggling American workers and their families," Schumer said in a statement. "The American people deserve it, and we are committed to making it a reality." Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee praised the ruling, saying it was the appropriate path to protect the rules of the Senate. The decision is a disappointment for progressives but relieves immediate pressure on party leaders who are attempting to rally support for the overall bill despite concerns from at least two Democrats who say $15 is too high. Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz, are the only Democrats who have publicly opposed the idea, but many others have been selectively silent on the issue. Democrats were bracing for the measure to be removed from the bill and the path to an increase is much more difficult in the Senate where most legislation needs 60 votes to avoid a filibuster. Senate Republicans are almost uniformly opposed to the plan and a stand-alone bill to increase the minimum wage, introduced by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., has 37 co-sponsors, meaning a number of Democrats may not back the idea. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/970637190/senate-cant-vote-on-15-minimum-wage-parliamentarian-rules Well....that's that.
I know what it is being tied to but why should that be the measuring stick? Is any other compensation tied to that?
He made statements to the public invoking the sense that the checks would be out very quickly if Dems won Georgia, and if they solely did reconciliation for stimulus checks and not an entire relief package, if they focused on it before the impeachment process they likely could have had them out earlier this month. That being said, since reconciliation can only be done once a year, it makes sense to not solely rush it out on checks but to instead push a large packed deal like they are doing. So I'm happy with that. The optics of saying the money coming very soon when it's taking months isn't great though, I hear a ton of people, friends, and family clowning that the checks are never coming, he lied yada yada. Those people probably we're going to find something to complain about no matter what, but the sooner people get the money the better.
My desire is to reverse the past 40 years of economic trends that I'm sure you even admitted are concerning. That is all I care about. So any polticians who wants to "compromise" so we have the same half assed solutions that won't reverse those trends I will criticize. The revolving door of polticians going to the private sector as board members of mega corps because they scratched their back voting for legislation in their favor is a bi-partisan compromise. Both parties agree to that system. So excuse me if I don't give a **** about "compromise".
I did. You disagree with my premise. Now you can actually explain why. To me it's a starting point. Hence I'm willing to compromise from that starting point and to me it's at least based off of economic trends such as productivity of our nation's economy.
And like I said before, it's a starting point. Because I'll acknowledge that a lot of productivity increases are due to increased efficiencies in our manufacturing processes.
You are hyper partisan to the "progressive" movement we know you despise democrats but its the only way you can gain any power so you grin and bear it. It's obvious you don't know more than surface level stuff it's why you got pissed at Major and started with the moderate BS. I also only know about surface level stuff but I am not afraid to say that. You always fall back on the moderate and income equality argument and start attacking a posters empathy its your go to move. How the hell am I hounding you?
Don't take this the wrong way but anybody that knows how government works knew that it was impossible and I would like to see what you are talking about exactly because I have my doubts about him saying that. I could be wrong. Biden never had the power to get the checks out in the 1st place.
Do you really want me to show you your posting history the past two days? Half of them probably are you hunting down my posts in multiple subforums and not even giving a rebuttal but rather just saying "you wrong and dumb". At least @Major explains why he disagrees. I have a view of how our economy has been functioning for the past half century. I don't like it and I don't think it's sustainable. Me being a progressive isn't because it's "my team". It's because I sincerely believe we have a unsustainable rate of increase in wealth divide This notion of "compromise for compromise sake" towards a bunch of polticians who act in bad faith because they are promised multi-million dollar board seats in companies after they leave as long as they legislate in their favor while in congress is something I don't really care for. Of you disagree with my view on economic trends, then I'll gladly debate cordially with you as long as you stick to just explaining your thoughts on the subject rather than your thoughts on my intelligence
I would also like to reverse the past 40 years and even if 15 dollars is passed that will not do it. The minimum wage is not the end all be all and this should not be the barameter of if a politician wants to change this, you act like only the "rich" and corporations will be affected by this. And just like clockwork you play the politicians going to the private sector card, predictable. So where are they supposed to work after leaving congress? A non profit?
The workers, or average person, still have to benefit from increased efficiency from tech advancement, that's one of largest disconnects on the wage and productivity gaps. If workers are not compensated for the increased efficiency, if the advancement doesn't come around and benefit the working class one way or another, we get what we have right now, and what's rapidly taking place globally, consolidation of money into an incredibly small amount of hands, massive wealth inequality, a crumbling middle class etc.
Me wanting to significantly increase the minimum wage and me beliving that it's not the only solution needed are not mutually exclusive notions and I have no clue how you assumed that. I've advocated for public healthcare, early childhood education etc. So obviously I don't think it's the only solution required. An entire paradigm shift of how the average American views the economy is going to be necessary.for these drastic changes. Me venting is not me understanding the reality of what is possible now. I still can be pissed about our situation and the apathy of our polticians because the status quo has been good to them.
No you did not you just posted a link. Major who is much smarter on this stuff than me said that's not what the minimum wage is designed to reflect so why do you think it is?
