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Biden Covid Relief package (3rd Covid Bill $1.9T)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    I suspect the republicans would try to argue that the bill was passed by Democrats "in the wee hours" but you are correct, a majority of Democrats, Independents and even republicans are in favor of this bill.
     
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    I'm currently reading Kill Switch: The Rise of the Modern Senate and the Crippling of American Democracy. McConnell is employing the same tactics he did under Obama as minority leader. Nothing can have the appearance of bipartisanship. The average American barely pays attention and the notion of bipartisanship is something that everyone likes. If the Senate GOP can deny Biden that win, they can allege all of their "too expensive," "Dead of night," nobody's read it," etc. critiques and make the process appear partisan in a way that benefits them.

    There is nothing Biden could've done to get a single Republican to "yes" on this bill. As long as McConnell controls the GOP caucus he will use the same playbook until it fails.
     
  4. bobrek

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    It was incredibly hypocritical for every single republican in the senate to vote against even debating the bill. The same Senators that voted to argue the merits of some states voting "irregularities" on January 6 because they "deserved to be heard" didn't even want to have the bill in the Senate.
     
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    I'm not happy about this.

    I think checks should of stayed at the House proposed $400. I guess not being taxed on the first $10k could be some form of "stimulus" for those that are single. Moderate Democrat Senators are holding the line strong.
     
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    I have no doubt that they will try the "nobody read it" even though Ron Johnson demanded and got a reading of the bill in the Senate.
     
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    Struck a deal with who...?

    Dems are continuously negotiating against themselves to weaken a bill that had massive approval. Jfc
     
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    Why is it okay for blue dog Dems to hold the party hostage to weaken bills the American people overwhelming support, but not okay for progressives to play the same game?

    WV supports a 15 min wage, who is Machin representing? Why is this just accepted as the norm...meanwhile, if progressives hold the bill hostage to ensure the 15 min wage that our president campaigned on, which is in line with the progressives senator's states and the country as a whole, would be unthinkable, looney toons, and outrageous for some reason.


    Tired of this ****
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    I think the idea might be to get a deal that manchin and sibema support and one or two republicans.
     
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    They already axed 15 min wage... why are they still bargaining with Machin and Sinema?
     
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    We've all known from the beginning that Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema need to be considered otherwise the bill is not going to pass. It's pretty simple. Personally, I think they bring up good points. I like what they did with the stimulus check and reducing the amount of individuals that receive it. I'm not happy with UEI although I'm glad there is a month extension.

    The bill itself is pretty good package that's going to help lower income folks.

    I can't imagine solving all of our issues with one bill.
     
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    From what I read they wanted it to end fiscally on September. So it’s the same amount of money with the tax and extra month. And if they need to extend they can from end of September easier than at the end of August.

    At this point the unemployment has gone so long when it ends a lot of people will get a rude awakening. Hopefully things work out and this doesn’t turn into a mortgage crisis or something else. After all the stimulus I don’t think you can really do more.
     
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    I think progressives need to start using their political power, so they and their constituents can start to be considered as well. I just don't get why it's considered simple and acceptable for blue dogs to hold the bill hostage, for them to weaken it WHEN the vast majority of Americans supported it as is. Maybe progressives can play the same game to get the original bill with 15 min wage passed?
     
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    I remember reading article at some point that individuals had been able to pay down debt and put a few cents in the savings account with these UEI benefits. I need to find it.
     
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    I don't think extending unemployment benefits and increasing the non-taxable amounts is for Manchin or Sinema. My guess is this was for Progressives to make up for taking out the minimum wage increase.

    [Edit] I forgot that benefits were being cut by $100 per months so this could be to make it more palatable to moderates who want to reduce the overall amount.
     
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    Negotiate to get to 50 votes, so obviously someone on their side was holding out.
     
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    This is exactly right. They didn't want the benefits to end while Congress is on August recess, so they give themselves time to extend the program if needed, depending on what things look like around the summer time. I think creating these cliffs - whether it's $400 or $300 - is dumb. They should have these things automatically phase out - start at $600 and go down each month. The money would be the same, but it would create a more natural transition.

    They already did. The starting point bill from the House was the progressive wish list.
     
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    Americans will still support this bill and Senators that come from republican states can explain to their constituents that they had their best interest at heart and fought for what they believed was still a good bill. It's all about compromise, isn't it? Just because you are a Republican or a Democrat doesn't mean you blindly have to do what your party wants you to do. I know Mitch has created a united front, but I'm glad Democrats are still talking among one another to get the best bill possible.

    You have to admit, some of the items included in there are good in general. Expanding the child tax credit and allowing it to be all fully refundable, not just the $1,500 limit, is a nice bump, isn't it? What about the aid that state and local governments will receive from the federal, pretty damn good. Or how about the subsidies they will be providing for Obamacare to get more Americans insurance?

    I mean it's a damn good bill. I don't understand why progressives have to be upset about everything and be in this role of not wanting to compromise (even though you claim you already compromised).
     
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    Wow you really don't have a depth of knowledge on any of this and just continue to push your talking points.

    None of this adreses what he said, WTH does not every human can be a skilled laborer have to do with anything?

    Yes there will always be unskilled workers but what does that have to do with training the people who are able.

    You seem to really want a society that you don't have to push yourself to succeed.

    I did think you were somewhat smart but it's becoming plain you are very surface level in your thinking and thats why you circle back to the very same talking points.
     

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