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Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/01/BA8V1AV589.DTL&type=printable

    Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.

    "That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."

    The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.

    The Mayans and the recent Hollywood movie "2012" have put the apocalypse in the popular mind this year, but Camping has been at this business for a long time. And while Armageddon is pop science or big-screen entertainment to many, Camping has followers from the Bay Area to China.

    Camping, 88, has scrutinized the Bible for almost 70 years and says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. One night a few years ago, Camping, a civil engineer by trade, crunched the numbers and was stunned at what he'd found: The world will end May 21, 2011.

    This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.

    On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.

    But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. He spent the next decade running new calculations, as well as overseeing a media company that has grown significantly in size and reach.

    "We are now translated into 48 languages and have been transmitting into China on an AM station without getting jammed once," Camping said. "How can that happen without God's mercy?"

    His office is flanked by satellite dishes in the parking lot that transmit his talk show, "Open Forum." In the Bay Area, he's heard on 610 AM, KEAR. Camping says his company owns about 55 stations in the United States alone, and that his message arrives on every continent.
    'I'm looking forward to it'

    Employees at the Oakland office run printing presses that publish Camping's pamphlets and books, and some wear T-shirts that read, "May 21, 2011." They're happy to talk about the day they believe their souls will be retrieved by Christ.

    "I'm looking forward to it," said Ted Solomon, 60, who started listening to Camping in 1997. He's worked at Family Radio since 2004, making sure international translators properly dictate Camping's sermons.

    "This world may have had an attraction to me at one time," Solomon said. "But now it's definitely lost its appeal."

    Camping is a frail-looking man, and his voice is low and deep, but it can rise to dramatic peaks with a preacher's flair.

    As a young man, he owned an East Bay construction business but longed to work as a servant of God. So he hit the books.

    "Because I was an engineer, I was very interested in the numbers," he said. "I'd wonder, 'Why did God put this number in, or that number in?' It was not a question of unbelief, it was a question of, 'There must be a reason for it.' "
    Code-breaking phenomenon

    Camping is not the only man to see truths in the Bible hidden in the numbers. In the late 1990s, a code-breaking phenomenon took off, led by "The Bible Code," written by former Washington Post journalist Michael Drosnin.

    Drosnin developed a technique that revealed prophecies within the Bible's text. A handful of biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, lending it an air of legitimacy, and just as many scholars have decried it as farce.

    One of Drosnin's more well-known findings is that a meteor will strike Earth in 2012, the same year some people believe the Mayan calendar marks the end of times, and the same year the "2012" action movie surmised the Earth's crust will destabilize and kill most humans.
    Meaning in numbers

    By Camping's understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.

    The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.

    "Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."

    Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.

    Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.

    Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.

    Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.

    "Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story," Camping said. "It's the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you're completely saved.

    "I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that," Camping said.

    James Kreuger, author of "Secrets of the Apocalypse - Revealed," has been studying the end of times for 40 years and is familiar with Camping's work. While Kreuger agrees that the rapture is indeed coming, he disputes Camping's method.

    "For all his learning, Camping makes a classic beginner's mistake when he sets a date for Christ's return," Kreuger wrote in an e-mail. "Jesus himself said in Matthew 24:36, 'Of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only.' "
    'It is going to happen'

    Camping's believers will have none of it.

    Rick LaCasse, who attended the September 1994 service in Alameda, said that 15 years later, his faith in Camping has only strengthened.

    "Evidently, he was wrong," LaCasse allowed, "but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn't have any proofs. This time we do."

    Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident?

    "I can't even think like that," LaCasse said. "Everything is too positive right now. There's too little time to think like that."
     
  2. SwoLy-D

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    :rolleyes: FAIL me once... SHAME ON ME... FAIL ME TWICE... if FAIL you can't FAIL again? :confused:

    What makes you think he's right this time? LOL!
     
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    So instead of believing what's explicitly stated in the Bible (Matthew 24:36 as referenced in the article), he bases his finding on a supposed hidden code? That makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

    I get paid to play music at a conservative Baptist church and they love to talk about how the end times are near. But people have been claiming that since Jesus died. I'm sick of it. When it happens, it happens. I'm not going to worry or speculate on it. Although I do believe it's coming, in all likelihood, it's not going to happen in my lifetime. How many Christians have lived and died while being told they're living in the end times? I'm just not going to buy into it that those who predicted the imminent end of the world before were wrong and the people preaching it now are right.
     
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    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but should have an everlasting life.
     
  6. A_3PO

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    This false prophet will get his reward.
     
  7. droxford

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    Stupid, stupid people. As a Christian, it's embarrassing to think that such wackos exist.
     
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    It takes a lot of bravery (or is it stupidity?) to put one's credibility and reputation on the line like this.
     
  10. pippendagimp

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    I'm not gonna lie - I did a double take when i saw the thread title.

    That's because i have the exact same date pegged from economic models. And this is the only date pegged.

    [scratches head]
     
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    just hope I can play my ipod in heaven.

    I think Jesus and St. Peter would like The Calm Blue Sea.
     
  14. LonghornFan

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    I'm sick of this. I NEED TO KNOW WHEN I NEED TO MAX OUT CREDIT CARDS BEFORE I DIE!!!
     
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    At the Mount of Olives, Jesus's desciples asked him about the coming of the End of Time and his second coming. This is part of his response (from Matthew 24)

    36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
    42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.



    Also, he gives a warning about false Prophets. As a Christian, I believe it is futile to try to decipher when Christ will return.
     
  16. Kam

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    i have some pretty amazing photos to upload.
     
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    I was at a Wal-Mart on 45 South when I ran into this beauty.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. ElPigto

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    Meh. I'll just live life peacefully rather than in fear. The world will end whenever it ends so for now I'll keep living life to the fullest.
     
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    I'm not Baptist, but my church has been doing the same thing. It loses meaning after a while and as you mentioned Jesus says that no one knows the hour.
     
  20. LonghornFan

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    I just want a raise before 2011. This end of the world crap is beyond getting old.
     

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