Have you read about her history as a politician? Would you call Ken Lay brave? That being said, I believe that this attack was orchestrated by the ISI in order keep the current power structure in place.
That’s probably because you don’t know the history of politics in that country. You may have been right about her being brave, but she’s far from being a sincere politician. Read up about the history of her party, might put things in a little perspective of what her party thought democracy was all about……
I'm impressed with your respective knowledge of Bhutto. It's sad that the media didn't know this stuff before they tried to make her a hero here in America. I saw plenty of interviews where she was made out to be the bringer of peace and democracy. It's hysterical that the media was so uninformed, but hey... what's new? I love clutchfans.
I think the thing is that like many people she had both and good and bad. She was corrupt, and she and her husband were huge crooks. However she was very brave, and dedicated against extremism. So there is that as well. The good doesn't change the bad and crimes she committed, nor do those crimes change the fact that she was dedicated in her battle against extremist terrorists.
At this point, I would like a stable pro-western candidate than a democratically elected religious zealot to lead the only Muslim nation with nukes.
Well it was bound to happen but the first video of the assassination has made the main stream media. It's not graphic but it does show everything and it does indeed poke some serious holes into the "official" version that was given out over the last couple of days because the video appears to show Buttho getting shot at and hit before she falls back through the sun roof of her car and then the explosion taking place. Click on the pic at the top of the page: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto Basically she raped the country.....twice. You’ve got to understand this lady had a grudge against Pakistan, her father was killed due to charges that most believed to not be true (although he was the King of corruption) and her husband was incarcerated for 8 years. …. one brother was killed with poison…… and the other ran against her, and was killed eventually thereafter….it’s believed that her husband had him killed……..all that’s got to influence one’s character. Her family hid behind the curtain of democracy yet they never allowed anyone in the party to gain power or held elections to see who would lead the party. Hmmmmmmmm what do they call that?.............. Though you have to understand that Pakistani politics is disturbing to the core, it’s full of corrupt uneducated (literally people who can’t read or write!!) thugs.... Nice read, tells you about the lie she got caught in about her estate in England: http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/...2-the-bhutto-legacy-greed-nepotism-and-death- Should see her mansion in Dubai…..really nice.
Just because her family had a lot of money doesn't prove corruption. I bet you the Bush family has a lot of money. That doesn't prove corruption either. Only people who want to side with islamic extremists benefit from portraying Ms. Bhutto as corrupt. It's a fact that if money had been her main interest, she could have just stayed out of the country and enjoyed her money, but she risked (and lost) her life to make Pakistan a better place.
Sir Jackie Chiles ….. just because someone believes she’s corrupt does not mean that person is an extremist supporter. How the heck do you come up with this correlation? Go google, “”bhutto corruption” you’ll find many articles on her from major media outlets. Are they Islamic extremist supporters? She was in international courts for embezzlement, are they supporters too?
SJC, this is Pakistan we are discussing. I don't think you understand how much money 1.5 billion dollars is worth for a country like Pakistan. Read the following countries' evidence, since you admit you know nothing about Bhutto. Switzerland On July 23, 1998, the Swiss Government handed over documents to the government of Pakistan which relate to corruption allegations against Benazir Bhutto and her husband.[20] The documents included a formal charge of money laundering by Swiss authorities against Zardari. The Pakistani government had been conducting a wide-ranging inquiry to account for more than $13.7 million frozen by Swiss authorities in 1997 that was allegedly stashed in banks by Bhutto and her husband. The Pakistani government recently filed criminal charges against Bhutto in an effort to track down an estimated $1.5 billion she and her husband are alleged to have received in a variety of criminal enterprises.[21] The documents suggest that the money Zardari was alleged to have laundered was accessible to Benazir Bhutto and had been used to buy a diamond necklace for over $175,000.[22] The PPP has responded by flatly denying the charges, suggesting that Swiss authorities have been misled by false evidence provided by Islamabad. On August 6, 2003, Swiss magistrates found Bhutto and her husband guilty of money laundering.[23] They were given six-month suspended jail terms, fined $50,000 each and were ordered to pay $11 million to the Pakistani government. The six-year trial concluded that Bhutto and Zardari deposited in Swiss accounts $10 million given to them by a Swiss company in exchange for a contract in Pakistan. The couple said they would appeal. The Pakistani investigators say Zardari opened a Citibank account in Geneva in 1995 through which they say he passed some $40 million of the $100 million he received in payoffs from foreign companies doing business in Pakistan.[24] In October 2007, Daniel Zappelli, chief prosecutor of the canton of Geneva, said he received the conclusions of a money laundering investigation against former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on Monday, October 29, but it was unclear whether there would be any further legal action against her in Switzerland.[25] Poland The Polish Government has given Pakistan 500 pages of documentation relating to corruption allegations against Benazir Bhutto and her husband. These charges are in regard to the purchase of 8,000 tractors in a 1997 deal.[26][27] According to Pakistani officials, the Polish papers contain details of illegal commissions paid by the tractor company in return for agreeing to their contract.[28] It was alleged that the arrangement "skimmed" Rs 103 mn rupees ($2 million) in kickbacks.[29] "The documentary evidence received from Poland confirms the scheme of kickbacks laid out by Asif Zardari and Benazir Bhutto in the name of (the) launching of Awami tractor scheme," APP said. Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari allegedly received a 7.15% commission on the purchase through their front men, Jens Schlegelmilch and Didier Plantin of Dargal S.A., who received about $1.969 million for supplying 5,900 Ursus tractors.[30] France Potentially the most lucrative deal alleged in the documents involved the effort by Dassault Aviation, a French military contractor. French authorities indicated in 1998 that Bhutto's husband, Zardari, offered exclusive rights to Dassault to replace the air force’s fighter jets in exchange for a five percent commission to be paid to a corporation in Switzerland controlled by Zardari.[31] At the time, French corruption laws forbade bribery of French officials but permitted payoffs to foreign officials, and even made the payoffs tax-deductible in France. However, France changed this law in 2000.[32] Western Asia In the largest single payment investigators have uncovered, a gold bullion dealer in Western Asia was alleged to have deposited at least $10 million into one of Zardari's accounts after the Bhutto government gave him a monopoly on gold imports that sustained Pakistan's jewellery industry. The money was allegedly deposited into Zardari's Citibank account in Dubai. Pakistan's Arabian Sea coast, stretching from Karachi to the border with Iran, has long been a gold smugglers' haven. Until the beginning of Bhutto's second term, the trade, running into hundreds of millions of dollars a year, was unregulated, with slivers of gold called biscuits, and larger weights in bullion, carried on planes and boats that travel between the Persian Gulf and the largely unguarded Pakistani coast. Shortly after Bhutto returned as prime minister in 1993, a Pakistani bullion trader in Dubai, Abdul Razzak Yaqub, proposed a deal: in return for the exclusive right to import gold, Razzak would help the government regularize the trade. In November 1994, Pakistan's Commerce Ministry wrote to Razzak informing him that he had been granted a license that made him, for at least the next two years, Pakistan's sole authorized gold importer. In an interview in his office in Dubai, Razzak acknowledged that he had used the license to import more than $500 million in gold into Pakistan, and that he had travelled to Islamabad several times to meet with Bhutto and Zardari. But he denied that there had been any corruption or secret deals. "I have not paid a single cent to Zardari," he said. Razzak claims that someone in Pakistan who wished to destroy his reputation had contrived to have his company wrongly identified as the depositor. "Somebody in the bank has cooperated with my enemies to make false documents," he said.[33][34][35][36] Bhutto's niece and others have publicly accused Bhutto of complicity in the killing of her brother Murtaza Bhutto in 1996 by uniformed police officers whilst she was Prime Minister.[37]
Where do I say that? I know you are young and you have been brainwashed into defending extremist positions here in the past, so it is not too surprising that you will be one of the first here to try and smear Benazir Bhutto. Even if her husband might have tried to personally profit from deals, anything would be better for Pakistan and the world than the extremist Muslims who are trying to gain power there.
You say it right here "just because her family had a lot of money doesn't prove corruption." You really do not understand Pakistani politics at all. Extremists will never gain power in Pakistan -- ever. Since Pakistan was nuclear before 9/11, we choose to prop up the army of Pakistan rather than demolish the country like we did with Afghanistan. The army of Pakistan has no more of a chance of being overthrown from within than Saddam Hussein in Iraq had. This is the killer of your beloved politician SJC: Does not look like a Muslim extremist at all... Oh, well... *Cue video clip of dark skinned children memorizing the Qur'an in a random Madrass with heading "Pakistan, a nation of Islamists"* You call me brainwashed because I pointed out you do not know anything about Pakistan, but to claim I am also brainwashed into being violent and supporting violent actions is just asinine on your part. I would expect more out of you, except I am pretty sure you are too busy mentally masturbating over at littlegreenfootballs.com.
its pretty well known that zardari was known as mr 10% and for a reason. im sorry i can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt on the interwebs. and those who care about the facts or the truth or the reality. but lets brush those aside. while i agree if money had been her main interest she could have stayed out...the fact that she came back does not necessarily mean she wanted to make pakistan a better place. i mean terrroists risk their lives all the time. do they want to make the world a better place?
I think Franchiseblade's post explains it best. While Bhutto had some good qualities in terms of standing up to extremism and showed personal courage in coming back to Pakistan that still doesn't mean she wasn't also corrupt. You seem to be looking to address this situation as being either black or white when its really very grey.
The one thing I'm trying to figure out is what does the government gain by assasinating Bhutto? Bhutto had an aggreement with Musharraf that would allow him to be president and while she had been speaking out against that recently she was a late comer to the protests and I think its questionable how much she seriously would've challenged Musharraf's rule. From Musharraf's side he gets to make the claim that he is allowing multiparty elections and getting a tacit ally in Bhutto in the prime ministership. Bhutto's assasination though destabilizes the country further which can't help Musharraf.
The truth from the movie, Crash. None of us is entirely good or bad. We are both. We have the capacity for and act on both.
You guys do know she helped the Taliban gain power to stabalize trade in Central Asia back in the nineties right? Her platform has always been to help herself by any means necessary. She was a demagogue. Her enemies were not Islamic extremists. Her enemies were Middle and Upper Class Pakistanis. It is unfortunate that she did not receive a proper trial.
I'd agree with you max if there existed no Asians in the U.S. What "good" traits and/or redeeming values do you find in Asian races after you watched the movie Crash? To help you recollect, I am listing all the Asian characters portrayed in Crash: - a racist- and profane verbiage-laced Asian woman who is involved in an automobile crash - a half-dead "Chinaman" before he was hit when checking out something under his truck (apparently he didn't know he needs to park in a safe place to go about his vehicle inspection); by the mercy of lord the old man wake up from a coma in hospital bed, but the first thing he does is to remind his wife, who happens to be the aforementioned Asian woman, to quickly cash the human trafficking check he was carrying with him before it is invalidated - a truck-load of dazed, illegal Asian FOBs who are finally seeing lights after being rescued by an African-American brother and given cash to jump-start their American lives in Chinatown - oh I almost forgot, the cold-hearted, insurance company adjuster -- an Asian male -- who tells the convenient store owner the extensive damages/loss from vandalism/theft will not be covered by the policy
