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Best Self Defense Techniques

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  1. Falcons Talon

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    Nothing silly about it. You keep living in your perfect little world where nothing goes wrong and you can avoid every confrontation. I'll keep being prepared without missing a beat.

    Oh, and btw, the mace is so I don't need to use deadly force which I'm sure you appreciate because I'm almost positive that you are a bleeding heart that can't understand why a person gets shot when non-lethal force is available.
     
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  2. SamFisher

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    Well, last timeI checked I have taken more muay thai than you have and, I'm going to venture a guess that I have traveled far more widely than you have and lived in more varied places. I've made it a premium in life to have as many new experiences as possible, and have pretty much avoided any "cornered with no mace and a jammed gun and facing down a crowd of brutal knife weilding thugs." scenarios.

    In my perfect little world (which includes a few silly little semi brawls when I was college aged, and one rather goofy streetfight in paris) I can't think of a single situation,outside of the training ring I guess, where applying any of my martial arts training, even if I had significantly more skill, would have provided an optimal long-term outcome as to simply avoiding the stuation or otherwise vacating a dangerous circumstance - as so advised by my martial arts instructor.

    FOr instance, I plan on going to Sao Paulo Brasil to visit a friend later this year. If a gang of gun-wielding cariocas demands my wallet, my first option is to probably just give it to them, and will only deploy a left roundhouse kick should the situation become incrementally dire as to reach the stage of the unavoidable Thunderdome scenario. If and when it reaches that point, however, the fault is probably mine as I should have packed that Gaboon Viper venom, and I should continue to have learned more muay thai, so as to raise my chance of survival from .0000000001% to .0000000002%.
    LOL - refusing to believe that you can 1. turn yourself into a Krav Maga blackbelt and 2. will reach a situation where you will bring this knowledge to beneficial use as opposed to the numerous simpler, more optimal alternatives renders one into a bleeding heart?

    Well if so than I bleed. Good luck with your martial arts studies - I hope you learn Pai Mai's Five Point Palm Exploding Heart technique in case you are attacked by a coven of mace-resisitant Ninjas on your way to a 7-eleven to pick up a gallon of milk.

    Do you have a blog? I would like to read tales of your urban adventures from my ivory tower in manhattan - it is interesting to see how you ruffians live in your rough-and-tumble world of random Halberd attacks and blackjack-beatings.

    I say, the constabulary should really do something about it, it's quite horrid!
     
  3. Apollo Creed

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    These posts are pure gold, SamFisher... :D
     
  4. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    In tears over here Sam.
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    Dude your argument just went south, no anti venom is gonna help against the gallon or so of venom those suckers inject.

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    2 inch long fangs kinda a buzzkill.
     
  6. BetterThanI

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    I highly recommend:

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    But only if you travel in nondescript Eastern European countries with uneven bars and pommel horses in all the alleyways.

    Or just kick 'em in the knee.

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    That last one is serious. Kick 'em in the knee: they will crumple in a heap.
     
  7. plutoblue11

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    Easy way:

    Just get a taser or handgun or small sharp knife or blade

    Hard Way:

    Learn martial arts: aikido, kung fun, tae-kwon do, jiu jitsu, or etc.

    Learn wrestling: especially the defensive moves and hold breaking....I gurantee you if you practice wrestling for 5 mths to 1 year....you can pretty much break any hold applied to you by any average mugger or criminal pretty easily. Leg hooks, bridges, stalemate holds, reversals, and submission holds. That start to come natural after awhile....I'm surprised they don't use it more self-defense classes.


    Natural instincts: ??????????????// fighting dirty....head butting, biting, going after vital organs
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    I think its a good idea to study something like Krav Maga and personally think everyone should study martial arts and play combative sports at sometime. I gotta agree with Sam though overall that avoidance is by far the best policy.

    The biggest problem with learning self-defense techniques, especially the lethal Krav Maga type techniques, is that you will never use them at full speed and to full effect until you actually are in an actual situation where you need it. That would be akin to practicing layups in a layup drill and then stepping into a championship basketball game with your team down by 1 with 3 seconds on the game clock. You never really know whether you could actually do that lethal technique under the pressure of an actual attack.

    The other problem is that even if you have studied Judo, TKD, BJJ, Muay Thai or etc.. and do well at in sparring and matches an actual street fight or some other situation isn't the same thing as a Dojo or ring. There aren't referees and you are fighting on an unknown surface with a lot of other unknowns. The example I like to give is say you are in a bar and are getting ready to unleash a devestating roundhouse on some jerk but as you **** your kicking leg you slip on a wet spot fall backward and hit your head on the bar?

    Given all of the ways an street fight could go wrong it is far better to try to avoid them as much as possible and if you do have to fight to make it as short as possible and not stick around. Caution truly is the better part of valor.

    Now if you feel that's not enough to satisfy your warrior's mentality try a combative sport where you can get your fighting in an environment where at least you know what you are getting into.

    Now that I think about it I think Sam Fisher still owes me a kumite.. :p
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Not that simple. A taser or knife can be disarmed and used against you since you have to get fairly close to use it. With a gun you have to be able to draw it, aim it and depending on the type of gun release the safety in time. I once did this drill once with police officers where an officer would have a squirt gun in a hip holster and someone would stand 20' away and rush the officer in almost every situation the person rushing wouldn't get wet.

    Any good self-defense class should teach things like that. If you're in a self-defense class and all they teach is kicking to the groin that's not going to be a very good self-defense class.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    Crouch down, move foward and punch, preferrably a weak punch.

    If you see a corner trap them in it. They might whine about cheating, but it's a Street Fight!

    Afterwards crouch down, shuffle back, and let loose a whirlwind kick.

    Flawless victory.
     
  11. orbb

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    samfisher in rare form :D
     
  12. zoids

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    Wing Chun hands down. Most triads recruit ppl from Wing Chun schools or send their new scrubs to Wing Chun school to train for street fighting back then. Usually 3 months training can be quite effective for any size scrimmage without guns.

    Mind you. It was way back, during the 60s 70s....
     
  13. Falcons Talon

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    I never said avoidance wasn't the best policy. Little Sammy and I have both agreed that avoidance is best, although little Sammy would be quick to mask that.

    I wanted to know what would be best if the situation arose that avoidance was not possible. Little Sammy can take all the shots he wants, but he answered my question. He admits some training will help, and then immediately overshadows that answer with a ridiculous snake reference. Never did I claim that I wanted to master and martial art like he makes it seem. He throws some BS references in his post and everyone gets a hard on. Mamalo!

    I want an edge in a bad situation and he is talking about optimal outcomes.

    Seriously, his posts are full of spunk and some of you applaud him.

    So someone wants to learn a little Krav Maga, and Sam labels them and discourages them beacause HE thinks its not the best idea, and you all cheer Little Sammy.

    For ****s sake, he sounds like my ex wife.

    Watch out for those Parisiens.

    Sam, you're a dick. You've always been a dick. I can't get why people enjoy reading the smegma you post.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    It sounds like you guys need to settle this in

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  16. Falcons Talon

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    Nah, I'll just walk away from this avoidable conflict. I would not want him to unleash his gaboon viper on me for fear I would have to bust it with a few rounds from my Glock.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Can there be any more awesome of a name than "VINCE MURDOCCO"
     
  18. pippendagimp

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    hire some security detail
     
  19. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Remind me not to go to the Valley.
     

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