I think your analysis of Joe is something that represents the underlying effect that a great riff can have on the masses. Some people try to tell me things like "man Kurt Cobain couldn't play guitar for ****". And the thing is, I am a guitar teacher and have played in many bands, and yes am probably a better technician than Cobain. But the real key to selling records is not to be the most sophisticated player, but to hit someone in the belly with a melodic riff that just makes them want to move. That is the key to selling records. And yes, in that regard, Joe is a wonderful guitarist.
Actually, I've been completely informed about that guy and all of the recording innovations he developed, and I still think his band is a bunch of soul-less poseurs. If you like that band, you are also a soul-less poseur, no offense.
What part of Im not a huge fan of Boston, did you not understand? I was referring to his technical innovations not his music. It's good that you can at least acknowledge that he did have an impact on the world of rock guitar.
Okay everybody. I don't agreee with 90% of the names mentioned. People always mention Crapton, Hendrix, Van Halen, and god forbid even Kirk Hammet as the best. That's becasue you are brainwashed fools. You obviously only read junk like guitar player magazine and listen to the groups that you can find under the rock/pop aisle at your local cd store. Crapton and all those other guitarists can not play amazingly fast, nor do they have perfect technique, nor can they produce innovative and interesting material. In general, it's crap. If you must know the best guitarists are then here is my list (in no particular order): Techinal Merit: 1.) Yngwie Malmsteen 2.) Ritchie Blackmore 3.) Randy Rhodes 4.) Tony Macalpine 5.) Joe Satriani 6.) Vinnie Moore 7.) Eric Johnson 8.) Steve Morse 9.) Carlos Santana (early years before he sold out and played with crap like Matchbox 20) Songwriting: 1.) Ritchie Blackmore 2.) The Iron Maiden triple entente of Adrian Smith, Janick Gers, and Dave Murray 3.) Cris Oliva of Savatage 4.) Tony Iommi 5.) Andy la Roque Guitarists who think they are good but actually suck: 1.) Eric CRAPton 2.) B.B. King 3.) Timo Tolki 4.) Kirk Hammet 5.) Dave Matthews
No idea if your joking here or not, if your not: Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth closed, instead of opening it and showing your ignorance.
I'm ignorant. I really do not get Clapton worship either. The guitar on Layla is pure ear torture to me. Especially the guitar on the ending of that song. It sounds like injured cats. It makes me feel sick.
He had me a bit confused as well, Bob*. I don't think Clapton is a "god" or anything, but he's a damn fine blues guitarist. He left John Mayall's Bluesbreakers to form Cream with another Mayall alumni, Jack Bruce. Shoot, Mayall had a whole string of great guitarists, bassists and drummers play the blues with him and then go on to become very famous. Peter Green, Mick Fleetwood and John McVie were longtime Bluesbreakers off and on (Mayall kept firing Fleetwood and McVie and hiring them back... Green was hired when Clapton went off to party in Greece and fired when he came back, only to rejoin later before being talked into forming Fleetwood Mac), as was drummer Aynsley Dunbar (who went on to play with Jeff Beck, David Bowie and Journey. I saw Cream after Clapton formed the group with Bruce and Ginger Baker and Fleetwood Mac after Green, McVie and Fleetwood got together. I got to see Mick Taylor when he was with Mayall at a place in the Village in Houston a year before he left to join the Stones. There was a lot going on and not everyone was buying CD's in the bargain aisle. The people looked back on as "legends" were young and amazingly talented, excited and driven, creative and eager to put it all out on the stage. You just must have missed it, Mr. Clutch.
You can make all of the technological innovations as a guitar player you want, if your band sucks, all of that is negated.
FYI -- Dave knows that he's not a great guitarist. He's not bad, but he's certainly nothing special. Instrumentally, he'd be considered the weakest member of the band.
From http://www.rollingstone.com : 1 Jimi Hendrix 2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band 3 B.B. King 4 Eric Clapton 5 Robert Johnson 6 Chuck Berry 7 Stevie Ray Vaughan 8 Ry Cooder 9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin 10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones 11 Kirk Hammett of Metallica 12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana 13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead 14 Jeff Beck 15 Carlos Santana 16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones 17 Jack White of the White Stripes 18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers 19 Richard Thompson 20 James Burton 21 George Harrison 22 Mike Bloomfield 23 Warren Haynes 24 The Edge of U2 25 Freddy King 26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave 27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits 28 Stephen Stills 29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges 30 Buddy Guy 31 Dick Dale 32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service 33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth 35 John Fahey 36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's 37 Bod Diddley 38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac 39 Brian May of Qeen 40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival 41 Clarence White of the Byrds 42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson 43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic 44 Scotty Moore 45 Frank Zappa 46 Les Paul 47 T-Bone Walker 48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith 49 John McLaughlin 50 Pete Townshend 51 Paul Kossoff of Free 52 Lou Reed 53 Mickey Baker 54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane 55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple 56 Tom Verlaine of Television 57 Roy Buchanan 58 Dickey Betts 59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead 61 Ike Turner 62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band 63 Danny Gatton 64 Mick Ronson 65 Hubert Sumlin 66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour 67 Link Wray 68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape 69 Steve Howe of Yes 70 Eddie Van Halen 71 Lightnin' Hopkins 72 Joni Mitchell 73 Trey Anastasio of Phish 74 Johnny Winter 75 Adam Jones of Tool 76 Ali Farka Toure 77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat 78 Robbie Robertson of the Band 79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997) 80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids 81 Derek Trucks 82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd 83 Neil Young 84 Eddie Cochran 85 Randy Rhoads 86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath 87 Joan Jett 88 Dave Davies of the Kinks 89 D. Boon of the Minutemen 90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper 91 Robby Krieger of the Doors 92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5 94 Bert Jansch 95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine 96 Angus Young of AC/DC 97 Robert Randolph 98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer 99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag 100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden
I would argue over the top ten, but they're all great players and most were very influential. But the rest is a nice list to look at, but that's all it is... nice to look at. (insert "roll-eyes" here) Joni Mitchell ahead of Johnny Winter, Robbie Robertson, David Gilmore and Neil ****in" YOUNG?? Please. I can't believe the number of people behind The Edge... I enjoy his work within U2's music, but it's nothing "on the edge" of skill at all. They have Freddie King, Buddy Guy, John Cippolina, Peter Green, Brian May, Robert Fripp, Frank Zappa, John McLaughlin, Pete Townsend and a whole slew of other players who are so much better, it's not even funny, behind The Edge. Rolling Stone has been a shadow of whatever it used to be forever, anyway. I shouldn't be surprised. It's still strange to see a list like that. It's got a nice cover, at least. Thanks for posting that, Faos. I appreciate it.
