This week I've already been called an imbecile and accused of not being sentient for stating in another thread that Robinson's teammates & Dream's teammates were relatively equal. Therefore I've decided to agree with your "idiotic" list. I'll make on minor change and put Bibby marginally ahead of Marbury based solely on the fact that teams with P1S2 guards seem to be more successful currently. I'll probably get flamed but I think the distance between Francis and Bibby is very marginal. Bibby doesn't have a lot more assists, but that's because all of the Kings pass the ball. IMHO, the Kings management would not trade Bibby even for SF. Steve doesn't fit their team but Bibby could fit the Rockets. Also, I think to distance between Kidd and Payton is minimal and did not rate Baron Davis as the list excluding Kidd is predominantely WC and IMO he's not Top 5 anyway.
Man, I was scanning everyone's lists to see if anyone would rank Payton above Kidd. Finally someone! Kidd is good but Payton is better. He can dish like Kidd and orchestrate the offense like Kidd, plus he can shoot, score, play defense, everything. He's best in the league. YYY, your career here will be short (if it isn't over already) if you keep treating CC.net like an ESPN board.
I agree that the current Rockets team is a great situation for Steve, but to say he is not taking advantage of it is incredibly short sighted. This is the first season that Steve has had any consistancy as far as the team that is around him is concerned and they are just learning to play together. Go and look at Nash's stats from the first couple of seasons when Finley was new to the Mavs and Dirk was inconsistant as a scoring option. It is no coincidence that Nash looks better every year he plays with the same team and same core group of players. The same thing is going to happen with Stevie as long as we keep the team together for more than half a season. For all you fans that think we should trade our team for a new one every season or twice a season, why don't you start following the Clippers they seam to move a lot of players it been working really well for them.
For a point guard, these are important: 1. make smart decisions; 2; maturity; 3, passing ability; 4. clutch; 5. leadership; 6. shooting; 7. Defense Franchise is clutch, can penetrate, dunk and score a lot of point, BUT sometimes at the expense of team's victory. He has a long way to go to be among the top five, IMHO.
Redamndiculous statement, Do you know who the Kings lost to in the playoffs the year before Bibby got there, THE LAKERS, Just the facts mam just the facts. How many wins did Bibby carry the Grizzlies to before he was traded? The guy is a good player on a great team with a good system. Even though its hard for me to do this and even though I don't think the Rockets would be much better if they had Nash, I will still rank him slightly above Stevie. Kidd Payton Nash Francis B Davis Starbury
I guess that's why the coaches put him in the All-Star game last year even though he didn't play half the season.
Coaches or fans? He hoges the ball and produces lots of high-flying ESPN clips. What about the team? Steve is a talented basketball player. But back to the original question, I think he sucks as a POINT GUARD, currently.
Yo pgabriel, just my opinion Mr. sledgehammer, no need to go with the made up words in slamming it. Anyways, how many wins the Kings have in that playoff series against the Lakers before Bibby got there?? How many did most analysts expect them to have against the Lakers last year?? Hmmm...there some factual stuff in them statements, eh?! I can't really argue about the Grizzlies, but I don't see how you can rank Francis so high when he has yet to lead his team into the playoffs either. And answer me this ol' angry one...why does the Olympic committee think Bibby is so good?? Maybe, gasp, because he is that DAMN good (Triple H homage).
Wasn't Steve All-star game starter last year? I guess coaches don't choose starters? And look at the guards in all-star game last year: Payton,Steve,Nash,Kobe. Steve and Kobe got voted in. Coaches picked two point guards. What does that mean? That means coaches might consider Steve as a SHOOTING GUARD. Last year's all NBA team: 1st team PG: Kidd. 2nd team PG: Payton. 3rd team PG: Nash. In my book, Steve is a top 5 shooting guard in NBA, but not point guard. His overall guard ranking is somewhere lower than his shooting guard ranking, but higher than his point guard ranking.
Okay, why didn't they put Bibby in the All-Star game? How many wins did the Rockets have two years ago. 45, the most wins by a non-playoff team in history, a lineup of MoTaylor, Mobley, Shandon Anderson, and Hakeem/Cato. Who were we better than, Portland Phoniex LA Utah Dallas San Antonio Sacramento Seattle.
Bibby is a good point, but he is overated...big time! It's the system he's in that makes him look good. Not saying that he is a bad player, because the guy has skills. KIDD PAYTON FRANCHISE STEVE NASH JOHN STOCKTON MIKE BIBBY STEPHON MARBURY ANDRE MILLER TONY PARKER BARON DAVIS Steve could be two, but has a lot of growing to do.
Look, I just hate when people say a player who couldn't lead a team to winning season, the same year Steve led a similar team to 45 wins is better than Steve. Nothing you can say will make me change my mind, its ridiculous. Believe me. Ask all the coaches in the league if the had to build around Francis or Bibby, I think we all know who the answer is.
I respect that pgabriel. Stevie did a great job two years ago and he should get more praise for being THE man on that team. But your argument about how Bibby has a better team around him could be made for Francis vs. Bibby two seasons ago. I do believe I won't change your mind just like you won't change mine (we stubborn types think alike). But I don't think you should be so quick to suggest that GMs and coaches would unanimously choose Stevie over Bibby. I think Bibby may actually get the call more often.
Take out that ONE SINGLE game Bibby had in the playoffs last year, and I guarantee he's (ON AVERAGE) #7 in lists here. Stop this insane "Bibby and Francis average the same # of assists" talk. Bibby averages HALF of Steve's TO's. It's obvious, Bibby is a much better passer. But Steve, at the moment, is tied with Marbury for best scoring PG in the NBA. No one else on those lists come close to these 2. Marbury is superior in the apssing department, but Steve is superior as a leader, and is the better rebounder. Also, don't bring out the "A PG should be this...and this...and this..". A PG should run his team, and get the ball to the person with the best opportunity to score through set plays. I change my mind on my list, and switch between Francis and Nash. Payton Kidd Francis Nash Marbury You're building from scratch, who do you pick, Steve or Bibby? The olympic committee won't pick Steve because people still rememebr the Vancouver incident, and Bibby is more...Well, he's not as flashy.
To add to that Sane, Stu Jackson heads the committee, Stu Jackson was the GM of the Grizzlies when Steve refused to go there. Its political.
On the one hand, people might pick Steve to start a team because of his scoring, but would the Kings trade Bibby for Steve? I doubt it. Then again, we'd never trade Steve for Bibby. What if you had a pretty decent team, like Detroit, but you need another player- who would you take?
