Yo-Yo, no need to call people names ...that's just his opinion...this is not some fantasy league. But even if it was, then you could compare turnover to assist ratio (done many a times) and then Steve would be way below Nash. So if you are gonna compare stats, make sure to include all of them.
1. Jason Kidd 2. Steve Nash 3. Gary Payton 4. Mike Bibby 4. Steve Francis 5. Stephon Marbury 6. Tony Parker I think Nash makes the Mavs go. I think Bibby should be higher, but I don't know. I gotta rethink this tommorrow.
1. Please don't lable someone whose opinion differs you as "ignorant" because there is what a true ignorant person does. 2. Those "no right offensive system to get assists" and "no shooter to pass to" excuses are getting old. Do you really think that if Francis has such great passing ability, Rudy wouldn't use a system to utilize this skill of his? Face the facts, Francis's a talented player and is a great 1-on-1 scorer but he has average passing skills and doesn't run team offense very well. I bet if Jason Kidd played for us, all our players' shooting % would go up. And I think even if Kidd, Nash or Stockton played with scrubs, they would still average more than 6 apg. 3. Stats tell part of the story but not the whole story. For example, how do you judge a player's defense based on stats? Please go watch some games. Don't let some stats or your Rox bias crowd your judgement.
1.Kidd 2.Nash 3.Payton 4.Bibby 5.Francis Nash makes the Mavs go. Francis is only better at rebounding and dunking. Nash doesn't need to score to be effective cause his job is to distribute the ball. He takes the least shots out of the big 3 and avgs about 4 shot attempts per game less than francis. Also take into account Nash only avgs 32.5 mins per game vs Francis 41.4. This can be a knock against Nash since they don't want to wear him out before the playoffs, so limit his minutes.
Wow i dont know where to start, i've never heard such crap in my life. First off, Your right, i shouldn't label you as ignorant, i should label u as an idiot. Second, anyone who feels Steve Nash is better than Steve Francis is not just bandwagon, they are blind to see the fact how francis clearly is a better scorer, shooter, passer and how francis elevates his game so much better and plays above the rim, unlike nash who can't even dunk. Also, francis has equaler at least or better passing ability than nash. you may think that those "no shooter to pass to" sayings are getting old, well maybe, but thats only cuz theyre true. Who would more likely finish your pass off with a score: A 6'4 SG whose shooting is inconsistent at times and goes through slumps OR: A 7-footer and a 6'7 SG who BOTH put up 20+ PPG I rest my case. Hey and by the way, i do agree on the issue that nash is the better defensive player over francis. so basically that's every aspect of the game francis is better than nash, except defense. i'll give u that plus i won't let anything bias my opinion, except the fact that players in today's game are mostly rated on offense, not defense, face the facts carayip so, u can keep sayin nash is better than francis riiiiiiiiiiiight
1) Kidd: no matter what team this guy is on, they seem to win! That's proof enough for being a great PG. Then throw in his stats??? Geez.... 2) Payton: He's getting older, but his game isn't fading. I don't think people understand how smart of a basketball player he is. How else can you take a mediocre jump shot, handles, & athleticism... and be one of the best in the game? 3) Francis: w/o bias, he has the most overall talent than any other PG in the league. Underated shooter, amazing rebounder, better D than people give credit, and yes he does create! People always put him down as a PG because he doesn't distribute the ball enough... but remember, the point of an offense is too score. And if your PG is your best offensive weapon, wouldn't you want him to be the one shooting? That's all I really want to mention as for top point guards... as for the others? Tony Parker? Please... he can dribble and he knows how to pass to Duncan. Put him on a poor team and watch him find his way back to the bench. Steve Nash? Good? Yes. Top 3? No way. If you really watch Nash play, his game is dribble all around the court until Finley or Dirk gets open... they hit open J's, he gets assists.
Guess it's pointless to argue Nash>Francis on a Rox message board, but before u label someone else as ignorant u should take a look at yourself. Granted Francis is a better scorer due to his Shoot first mentality which obviously leads to a higher PPG average, but he's not a better shooter than Nash. Nash FG% .454 > Francis .435 Nash 3pt % .414 >Francis .404 Nash FT % .920 > Francis .800 You'll probably just ignore these facts and label me a bandwagon jumper too i suppose.
hey guys, though both Marbury and Francis are "shoot-first-pass-second" PGs. I think Marbury is still a better passer than Francis. Marbury have played with KG and now Marion. He has the experience to pass to a player who is a better scorer than him, and he has at least 7.8 APG every year. But how about Franics? He never has a year of more than 7 APG!!! so my ranking: 1. Jason Kidd 2. Gary Payton 3. Mike Bibby 4. Tony Parker 5. Steve Nash 6. John Stockton 7. Stephon Marbury 8. Steve Francis 9. Baron Davis
Payton and Kidd. The best of all time being Stockton. The rest is just details. As far as young PGs, I'd take Parker. He might not be as gifted naturally as the others, but he knows how to play in a team environment better. Psssss...........he's only 20.
This is silly. No one puts Payton above Kidd? We'll see when he lights up the East and makes Milwaukee a contender. Payton Kidd Nash Francis Marbury Bibby has no business being in this list, neither does Parker. What does Parker really do well? Anything? He's quick, and that's about it. Bibby is good, but not top 5 good. Playoffs are not the real NBA season. They're more important, but when judging talent, you must include consistently. If you want to just judge the playoffs, Horry is a Hall of Famer and should be among the top 5 PF's in the league.
It's very interesting to see people putting Bibby ahead of Steve. Bibby is a shoot first point guard that doesn score as well as Steve and averages around the same number of assists. And we all know shoot first point guard can't be among the best in the league - also, what happened to Andre Miller on that list? Wasn't he the assist machine point guard that guarantees wins in the NBA?
I agree with your list except Nash, he is not a better passer than Steve or Marbury, he is on a team with sick offensive talent. You put Nash in a situation where he is the top offensive player and see the other teams shut him down. Nash is in a great situation and is taking advantage of it, that is all you can ask from any player, but he is not better than Stevie. Oh and Payton>Kidd the Sonics made a big mistake.
Consistency......Marbury.....Stevie??? Since when? The reason I put Parker above the other young pgs in the league is because of his maturity at such a young age. I get tired of hearing the "age" excuse used by fans, media, and teams. He knows how to play within a team concept better than the others.....it's that simple. People may want to talk about what Bibby did last year against the Lakers in the playoffs, but don't forget how Parker absolutely abused Payton during the ENTIRE series.
Maybe I'm a bit mistaken, but isn't sports about winning championships?? I mean, if I had to win my fantasy league, I may pick Marbury, Nash, or Francis over Bibby. But if I had to actually win a ballgame, I'm picking Bibby. Your argument about Horry is somewhat compelling. If you just look at top clutch PFs, then Horry may be in the top 3. But he doesn't bring it every game and all game long like Bibby did last year. Maybe Bibby has caught fire in a bottle. IMO, the guy is money and is a top 5 player. Not only did he outplay Nash and Stockton, but even a top defender like Kobe had problems. But who cares about my opinion. Maybe we should look to what the Olympic committee did and made Bibby the backup point guard. Hmmm...after the debacle in Indy, they must want to give that position to anyone.
You asked us to rank Point Guards not STARS. A Point Guard is one that makes his players better, he sets them up and passes to the open man . OK! 1) Payton 2) Stockton 3) Kidd 4) Bibby 5) Marbury 6) Francis 7) Nash / Parker
