Dems are p*****s who will fall in line if Bernie gets a public mandate. One hope is that Bernie will demand wild stuff and compromise towards something a careful leftist moderate like Obama couldn't push through. He could totally pivot after election. Most presidents do.
From a conservative voter what I see in him is he isn't Hilary... and that's a good thing. I can't vote for her but if it comes to Trump or Bernie I'm going to have to do some soul searching.
Agreed your two points above were better than the alternative when viewed narrowly. Bill Clinton won two elections by "triangulating" i.e. by becoming more and more like the Republicans. The question is why their type of "winning" only took place while the narrative moved more corporate, more right.
Because this reflected voter sentiments at the time? I mean, the whole Clinton Democrats thing rose out of Carter, Mondale and Dukakis losing. The reality is that one has to have the votes to get things done.
And one needs to appeal to a larger cross section of the population to get votes. That whole democracy thing.
Hillary's big lead among non-white voters is collapsing. Turns out that as the word get out, that African Americans outside of the Old South are not giving Hillary the big margins she got from them at the beginning of the race with her name recognition and the Black political establishment endorsement. Bernie leads among African Americans in Wisconsin by 11% over Hillary. Other interesting aspects of Hilary's rapidly declining margins among non-white voters . https://www.laprogressive.com/hilla...paign=Feed: laprogressive (The LA Progressive)
I think yall are strawmanning Bernie as a purist. He's been very pragmatic, making deals with his colleagues to get the bills and amendments he wants. Often in the minority party in the House and later the Senate, he has found ways to craft legislation to make common cause with Republicans. They haven't been paradigm-shifting, but he also has done a lot more than the naming of post offices. It's all moot anyway because he won't even win the primary, but he's not the one I would worry about not being able to be effective working with others. As far as ineffectual disasters go, the Republican's likeliest candidates would be saved only by dint of Republican majority in both houses of Congress.
Nothing like pure socialism, but a tick back on the corporatism would be healthy. Of the people, by the people, for the people... includes real people not just corporate people. That means we should use our collective buying power to get discounts unlike the Medicare Part D bull**** and massive profits on military hardware. That stuff should be wholesale.
Bernie Sanders has terribly flawed ideas that despite a great old serious down to earth man wrapper, are completely nuts.
Is that a Rove move? too simple over here in the Bernie thread you have to explain what Bernie's ideas are and why you think Bernie's ideas are crazy, you can't just come in here and say he's crazy. did that dude ever define socialism?
Yeah so flawed that the 80+ countries that implemented those ideas have seen huge gains in economy, health, education and development.
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-nevada-democratic-caucus/ This legit? Should shorten Hilary's lead by 3-4 delegates right?
The more interviews I see with Sanders supporters the more I lose hope for future America. How can people be so stupid?
