Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

How hilarious would be if the Conservative witch hunters drive Hillary low enough to allow Sanders to steal the nomination?

Congrats on securing an extreme leaning leftist president Faux News, instead of the basically Conservative Hillary Clinton!

 

I don't know man. The Right runs such dirty, dishonest campaigns that they can take a lot of what Bernie says and twist it into some horrible soundbites and video clips and use them against him to scare low information voters.

I was listening to Joe Rogan's podcast and he, who I otherwise think is an intelligent guy, believed that Bernie wants to tax "rich people 90%" as in 90% on every time they make.

Hillary is so calculating that every word out of her mouth is practiced and measured to make sure it cannot be used against her. That's why I'm not a fan of hers but I'm scared when I vote for Bernie in the primary I might be doing more to help a guy like Rubio or Cruz get into the White House.

I'm still voting for the guy because, as a voter, I feel like playing chess with national politics isn't a long term answer. Hillary is better than any GOP candidates but she isn't a game changer like I believe Bernie can be so I'm willing to take the risk but it's still scary.

 

heard this too and thought he was misinformed, then he tweeted about it:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/atsySUvt7F">https://t.co/atsySUvt7F</a> &quot;Bernie Sanders Would Tax The Income Of The Wealthiest Americans At 90 Percent&quot; <a href="https://t.co/GYQ4zTz4HM">https://t.co/GYQ4zTz4HM</a></p>&mdash; Joe Rogan (@joerogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/684185769448099840">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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also, the interview - http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/bernie-sanders-asks-if-american-economy-moral-n364541

 

I'm with you. I'll vote for him in the Cali primary, because he represents what I think a little better than Hillary, but damn, this could make the general waaaay too weird/scary.

Odd times we live in.

 

The irony is that nobody would do more to uplift poor and middle class conservatives than Bernie Sanders.

 

This.

 

I love Bernie's politics and I enjoy his personality because I know what he has been through being a consistent liberal for 50 years. He has to fight to get the logic of message out through all the paid advocate's bull**** so some of his sound bites get repetitious. That just makes me sad that Mr. Obama won't be President anymore. There is no one in either party that holds a candle to his eloquence and command of respect.

Maybe that's why his political opposition devolved into disrespectful, dogmatic attack dogs, because they couldn't possibly hold their positions or oppose Mr. Obama's with truthful, logical, inspring rhetoric.

 

if o'malley drops, where would his 4% go?

 

Most likely Bernie.

 

Bernie was talking about 90% MARGINAL TAX, not income tax. Joe Rogan is wrong in his understanding.

Now Bernie hasn't release his tax plan yet but I think this is what he is talking about. For example, currently someone making 401k income is "marginally" taxed at the same rate that someone make 1 million or 1 billion dollars at around ~40%. Bernie is saying that we should look higher marginal tax rates that go up to 90%. Meaning extending/changing the current scale from 10,15,25,28,33,35,39.6% to maybe 10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90%. Again don't know his details but that is what he means by 90%.

 

Lol that's still insane.

 

The issue is that NO ONE should be taxed at 90%.

 

Yea it's a bit absurd but I don't with deductions even the wealthiest would hit that 90%.

I do think it's a good idea to separate folks making under a million dollars but still making a good living from those making tens of millions. You know a married couple with great educations and great jobs should not fall into the highest bracket. That my friend is insane.

And a couple making 500k should NOT be taxed like a billionaire either right?!?!?

 

I agree that the brackets need adjustment, but I don't think putting a larger share of the GDP in the government's pocket is necessary right now. Bernie is simply trying to redistribute wealth. I think the best wealth redistribution that could occur would be finding workable solutions to healthcare costs and banning the ******* lottery (had to bring that up with all the lotto bs lately because it's such a horribly regressive tax). I think one workable solution Bernie has is to allow the import of drugs from Canada. I really liked that idea when I saw it from him and I don't like much about Bernie's platform.

 

He still strikes me as this cycles Ron Paul -- radical enough to excite vocal early supporters but no real chance or broad appeal once he gets put to the test. His current polling, like Trumps (and Cruz -- I hope) is simply noise before things get serious.

Fivethirtyeight (who is pretty good) calculates a weighted endorsement score. Hillary leads 457-2. I guess this is proof he's "Not the Establishment" but it's also an indication he simply doesn't have the support or much chance of getting it except in early polls and possibly a primary or two.

Plus he's old. Really old. Too old for the job.

 

Hadn't really thought about that. He's 74, the same age as my parents. Could my parents go through 4 grueling years as president? Probably not. He should choose a running mate wisely, because who the VP is will suddenly be important.

 

There a multitude of problems with a 90% marginal tax rate, but the most fundamental is that it doesn't address any of the root causes of the problem it's trying to address. If you start with a problem of income inequality, he's basically saying that rich people are abusing the rules of the game to get all the riches, but instead of trying to fix the rules, we're just going to take all their money away and give it to the poor with a stronger support net.

It fixes symptoms but not the actual problem - in the long run, it just makes everything worse. What we need to do is fix the rules so that the poor can make more money on their own and THAT is what creates wealth for the wealthy. It involves things like adjusting our relative valuation of labor vs capital and things like that - not just jacking up taxes on the wealthy to extreme levels.

 

I'm not sure endorsements mean anything at all in this "throw all out the bums" political environment we're in. That said, Bernie could well win Iowa and NH. But when the race moves south and west, he's really got very little to no support there, and there's not a lot to suggest that winning those early states would change that. I think he's primarily dependent on Hillary scandals and the like to have a real chance at the nomination.

That said, Bernie vs Trump would be bizarre. It would really open the door for some interesting 3rd party candidates to consider jumping in the fray.

 

And bald. When is the last time there was a bald president? Not gonna happen again anytime soon.