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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    The Sanders' campaign is igniting a lot of excitement and new sites and efforts are mushrooming.

    Overall reddit is very helpful and maybe the best way to keep up with things.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/?count=25&after=t3_3gl64


    and even.

    Try https://www.reddit.com/r/republicansforsanders

    To get you in the mood:

    A rap song supporting Bernie.

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    A very good interview by Ezra Klein which asks Bernie many of the hard questions from probably a skeptical liberal. http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491...x-conversation

    A good site that details all of Bernie's stands. A must for any Bernie supporter.

    http://feelthebern.org/







    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491...x-conversation
     
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    Black Lives Matter didn't help Bernie by making him look weak and helpless. Trump is skewering him on that one. Strangely, I like Bernie more than Trump, but I would take either one over the venal Hillary, who could have out Borgia-ed the Borgias.
     
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    Strange, Trump and Bernie are opposite philosophical poles. So, if you have no real philosophical commitment, why wouldn't you want the politician that knows how to make political deals? That's in the job description for a President especially in a grid-locked Congress.
     
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    Neither Bernie nor Trump are my nominees of choice. I just prefer them both to Hillary. I prefer Bernie to Trump because he is honest about his moral compass. I think Trump's moral compass spins wildly in all directions. Hillary's points only to herself and her greed for money and power.

    My ideal ticket for now is Kasich with Rubio as his VP. That could change because, at this juncture, I also could support Bush, Cruz, Carson or Fiorina.
     
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    Bernie, I think only has Al Gore to worry about, not sure Hillary will survive this email scandal.
     
  6. glynch

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    Bernie at the Iowa state fair in the las tday or so. . first 6 minutes is good. Around 3.28 minute maark Bernie addresses the Black Lives Matter issue and essentially says it is very understandable that they bring this important issue to the forefront.

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    glynch, Bernie's success is depressing right? Would you provide an analysis of which variables need to fall into place for Bernie to have a chance? At this moment I'm 99.99% certain Hillary will get elected. No one on the right has a chance, the pendulum in the world including (finally) America is swinging back towards sanity.

    But can Bernie withstand an assault from Hillary who's willing to do ANYTHING with no boundaries to destroy him? I know last time around you decided to support Obama because the alternative was terrible. Have you changed your mind this time around? To be honest I cannot see any significant difference between Hillary and most serious GOP candidates.
     
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  9. glynch

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    As far as Hillary, vs Bernie she has almost as much big money as the Republicans and will attract much more if Bernie becomes a real threat. Have the poor and the middle class got sufficiently tired of all the productivity gains going to the .1%?? Perhaps not yet. Not the counterrevolution by the corrupt elites, as in Egypt, but the recent Arab Spring shows that sometimes you reach a surprising tipping point on how much an elite can oppress the vast majority.
    There is a chance tha the enthusiasm for Bernie can beat the old guard and their big money..

    I will support the lesser of two evils, Hillary against any GOP candidate that has entered. Virtually all of them will do stupid things like more tax breaks for the wealthy and, hard to imagine, start even more wars and other stupid attemts to control the world for the elite both here and abroad. Most of the GOP promise essentially to throw millions back off of health insurance and more brinksmanship or war, cold or otherwise with Russian, Iran.

    TheGOP'ers might even do stupid things like Dubya with his stupid extra tax breaks for Hummers. They will go nuts with fracking and coal burning. Why not as they supposedly don't believe in climate change.

    They can do a lot more damage and Hillary will at least be sort of a place holder sort of like Obama wrt to progress.
     
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    if the stars align and bernie somehow knocks out the other (D) candidates i could see attempts on bernie's life being taken.
     
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    At the first debate, Bernie Sanders needs to come on stage to Metallica's "Enter Sandman."
     
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    Why on earth would anyone do that? They are waaaay beyond that. All they have to do is produce a video in a lab somewhere, pay some gangs to terrorize all his friends and family. That kind of political assassination is super easy for the American public to ignore, and you can never trace it back. It also doesn't allow him to become a hero of some sort.

    The people who would be interested in ending Bernie have access to money, resources and technology that you couldn't even conceive.

    Just like racism is different today than it was decades ago, these people evolve. They are in an eternal quest to run away from being held accountable, they are unified amongst themselves and they have nothing but time to think about how to do things for the next 10-20 years.
     
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    The thing about Hillary that I've noticed is: she is too perfect for voters on the right. She's got the cash, she's got the money and she's already signalled that she is going to be a sugar daddy for the corporations. You can see it all over, they absolutely love her. If she wasn't a Clinton I bet republican voters would openly admit their admiration for her too.

    Are you certain about those things? Obama with all his professed progressiveness was a placeholder. He did some good things and continued or expanded a lot of bad things. Hillary is no Obama though.

    Don't you feel there's a likelihood she'll cave on all those things (taxes, war, etc) if it means she can say "look, I did what Obama couldn't, congress is not deadlocked anymore!"

    I worry about her. I think we're seeing a new breed of president. I can't recall a serious presidential candidate who doesn't even represent any of the two business factions aka parties. I think the corporations are going to crown her, and maybe for the first time ever both parties simultaneously will not be happy with POTUS.
     
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    Full version:

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    Wonderful, but Obama has left most with doubts about the ability of anyone to stick to their word. I hope Bernie wins and I'm wrong and I get to see Americans prosper domestically at least.
     
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    Bernie, though less interested and more moderate than many who might call themselves "socialist" is still more progressive than any recent president on foreign affairs.

    Here is Bernie introducing Chomsky to a city meeting in Vermont many years ago.

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    no more liberals, they do more harm than good to the minority( especially black community).. no more handouts.. we want jobs
     
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    You're r****ded if you think that.
     

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