"Being offended" as a means for forcing a belief system upon others

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I'm not downplaying anything. The fact that they did those things doesn't mean it was widespread. It only means that some Muslims did those things. Mosques all over the world scarcely even mentioned the Danish cartoon, and even then it was only after it had already become a news story.

You trying to exaggerate the level of how widespread the extremist reaction was is highly disingenuous.

 

Actually, they aren't.

Except those aren't the articles you posted in this thread.

Oh I fully understand the difference. It's that you're a hypocrite.

Perfect example of your hypocrisy.

You said you have a problem with people praying in public, describing people who are on the ground praying. You stated you have no problem with people praying in public over food. Its quite clear. It's example #2 of your hypocrisy.

That's true. In general, uneducated people don't make much effort to discuss politics or policy, so the education level is certainly overall much higher. The age is also skewed to people in their 20s and 30s and male.

That's true. This thread, however, is evidence of the opposite seeing as how many people have made the effort to argue with you.

That's true - I have a lot to learn. Unfortunately, you have nothing worth teaching.

 

I, for one, am outraged.

 

Shazam.

 

To sum it all up...ATW has a problem with religious people expressing their opinions (he specifically has a larger problem with Muslims). ATW would seek to muzzle religious people from exercising their freedom of speech because it offends his delicate sensibilities.

Damn am I glad that the world is not organized to appease people like ATW.

 

When you manage to get in a fight with Major and Refman, neither the fighting type, you're doing it wrong.

 

Of course it is a tactic.......

And agree, that someone should just say.....Tough crap !

DD

 

What a boob.

 

Not worth it.

 

Removing the religious aspect, I agree on the "being offended" part. Seems more people are built "pre-offended" with so much pre-existing sensitivity you can't do anything around them BUT walk a fine line, walk on eggshells or comply with their wishes. Its what a lot the support and advocacy groups are built on. Shaming people for doing what they're doing cuz its "hurting" someone else. Sets things up nicely for being manipulative.....

It does seem religious groups are big offenders of that. But I'm gonna get away from that topic. Since its stating the obvious that the zealoutry and radicalism of it is whats most annoying rather that the voicing of displeasure.

Right.

Also part of it is everyone has freedom to beg "please care about __", and everyone has freedom to not give a darn. Or so we think. Its all about getting people's sympathy sensors to be fully operational, cuz if its not your "close minded" *sigh*.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4

watch this at around 14 minutes-15 minutes it starts getting into media and propaganda. It speaks as all of our thoughts and perceptions here in america are generally gained from the media, they are the feeding of the news, so naturally what they show is what we know only. Now that part starts focusing on the media's own incentives and foundation and how news is fed, you are hearing about all this from muslims when they are offended and what they do.

When we talk about extremism and terrorism, we only usually think of islam. A religion of a billion people, yet less than 1 percent easily do not relate to those perceptions, yet that is what is majorly shown all the time, yet all religions have these extreme minorities such as the kkk for Christianity and so on throughout America you hear religious groups speak of hatred towards minorities, gays, or who ever else, there have been bombings, beatings, cults and many deaths who considered them selves religiously ordained or whatever they believed, fact is they are extreme minorities, less than one percent of an entire religion, should not represent a whole faith.

This is really not against the mentality or the thoughts of the above posters, its more so against the foundation of where we get the initial thoughts that cause us to think these things. Do we know all the information, does the source of the information have a bias or an agenda? We must ask this naturally as you can see it is widely influenced by israel(remember their political agenda, not jews, I don't believe in generalizing in that way just like I don't think beliefs of some extremists groups relate or represent the whole faith) and if they have such control or power and they want the PR support against their agenda isn't in their interest to continue to generate this perception that the religion is about all this, that they are fundamentally bad people that they are fighting againsts so on.

you can go back on history, think of the moors, think of times during Muslim rule, tolerance was there, it was focused on progression, education, medicine, philosophy, think of the house of wisdom in Baghdad, this was all apart of the same religion, the same rule ,and they lived comfortably amongst each other. This was ages ago, but the same religion, so how is that this is fundamentally a bad religion, there are things they like to take out of context in the Quran, because it is exactly that, within context of that time about a war or certain things going on during that period. You can say oh look at these terrorists they are Muslims, why? Think of the political agenda, think of their current status and what their thoughts on why they have turned to violence, it is often a clash of ignorance on how they feel they are being treated. The documentary articulates about this very well, but I would compare it to us in this sense. Many of us(i hope) are not natural killers, we could not comfortably take someone's life, but what if we were in a jail or in a violent neighborhood and someone comes to us and we feel attacked and they are trying to be aggressors, we feel like they are intruding against us and our rights, then you defend yourself, if someone comes at you with a knife do you just sit there, you may not be a killer, but you might very well in this moment of defense attack back for yourself, and that is what converted you into this, not that you are naturally looking for this. I am american, born and raised, and also a muslim, this is how a friend from the middle east described his mentality to me to explain it to me as I was often confused since my initial knowledge was through the media as well. I used to go to the middle east and wold be respected and looked up at since I was American, people wanted to come here for the opportunity and freedom, and now I have to watch out because I am american. in their eyes we are attacking them because they feel we are taking away their freedoms, occupying their lands, so on. I don't necessarily agree with them in all sides of course, but I do feel this is primarily a clash of ignorance, miscommunication, and misunderstanding from Both sides!

If you do have time watch the whole video as well, but for the purpose of this post, I believe start watching around 14 minutes it will soon get into media, and that is what I am referring to.

 

They try and present a reasonable persona here? What kind of persona are you trying to present?

A bigoted, closed minded, hypocritical know-nothing?

 

Clearly, it's okay to for him to do that because he "understands" what he's doing