"Being offended" as a means for forcing a belief system upon others

i have no truck w/ those guys, but there's a world of difference between hating "faggots" and killing them.

and i'm not dismissing older atrocities committed in the name of christ, but pointing out that in the modern world, it's been rare.

 

Political correctness is a joke.

So you don't like the puppy in the police hat. Politely refuse to display to it, explain why if you feel like it. There's no reason to be offended or get up in arms over it. Give me a break.

People are too ****ing touchy today.

 

basso, show evidence of the campaign to label any dissent as racist.

Oh..... that's right you can't do it. See ya

 

This is the post of the thread and sums it up so nicely right here.

Around the World cries and gets offended by public prayer, then tries to bash Muslims for getting offended.

The outrage over the Danish cartoon or any of the other crap you posted was not that widespread. The coverage and your own bias made it seem huge in your head, but you judgment is so incredibly clouded on the issue, that I find it amazing anyone takes you seriously.

 

Is ATW trying to get people to stop praying in public, or is he just complaining on a message board? There's kind of a difference. I see the irony, but let's not confuse the two.

Whether you think the Danish cartoon thing was widespread or not doesn't change the fact of what happened, how religious advocates stomped on the throats of free speech and used violence as a means to an end. That is a problem, whether it's one person, or a billion people. Sure it's important to keep it in proper perspective, but let's not go excusing it or acting like it isn't important. Which I'm sure you aren't.

 

I agree with you regarding what happened with the Danish cartoon. Your reasoning is solid, and there is no way in hell I'm for any kind of censorship on things like that.

I wouldn't like the censorship with or without violence, with violence it's especially abhorrent.

The difference is that you are coming at the topic from a place of reasoned argument and belief in that freedom. ATW is using the reasons behind your argument as just another excuse to bash Muslims.

I think South Park should have been shown, I think papers anywhere and everywhere should have run the Danish cartoon.

I understand that Muslims don't think it's cool to have their religion bashed(which is what it felt like to them), but their thoughts on that shouldn't trump freedom of speech.

I'm not defending the attempts to censor free speech, but pointing out ATW's illogical twisted mindset regarding it.

 

"A sinnar is you!"

 

To follow on FB's reply the problem I see with this thread is that its essentially doing what it is criticizing others for. The OP is bothered by public praying and is bothered by those getting bothered over things they find offensive. It seems to me that he is essentially using his offense to enforce his own views of what society should be like.

I fully agree that violence to enforce a particular culture view shouldn't be tolerated but short of that the hallmark of a plural society, which the US is and most of Europe is becoming, is that different groups will take offense at the actions of other groups. People have the right to register their offense even if others find what they are taking offense to silly.

The OP though on the other hand is projecting this as an attempt to impose beliefs, which on some level is true, but wouldn't just telling these people to shut up and not complain also be imposing a belief on them?

To exist as a plural society as much as seperate groups should tolerate each other we should also be willing to show some concern and respect to each other.

 

this is like watching a trainwreck. He creates one of the most bigoted threads I've ever seen and tries to make him self feel better by creating additional threads to fan the smoke.

You've dug your hole deep enough already buddy.

 

Golden quote. Thank you for the recognition.

 

Great idea. I need to point my dear friend AroundTheWorld to this statement.

 

It's based on your doing what you are bashing others for, as well as your history of posts on this board.

 

How about Christian 'outrage' and desire for revenge leading to the invasion of Iraq and the violent deaths of roughly a million people as a consequence of the invasion?

And before you object to that logic, Bush was a Christian and he claimed on record that God informed him it was necessary to invade Iraq, in case you try to deflect the charge as some secular entity making decisions. 9/11 pissed off and angered a lot of Americans, but it was this particular born-again Christian warmonger, and his incredibly enthusiastic Christian base, who insisted that God gave him a license to kill, and used that license as a reason to lash out and settle scores.

It may not play that way in America, but the rest of the world views Bush's policies as an extension of his fanatical Christian beliefs about the End Days and the rest, there is no disconnect there. He himself claimed over and over again that his belief system informed his policies (the "I answer to a higher father" crap), which is why the vocal Christian Evangelical minority that forms the GOP base worshiped the guy, he could do no wrong in their eyes. They actively supported his violence and, in fact, lambasted him for not doing more. They wanted him to move into Syria and Lebanon and Saudi and Iran and Libya and all those countries so he can help destroy them and bring about the final battle of 'good' (meaning good, religious fanatics in America) and 'evil' (meaning anyone who is a non-Christian and does not submit to Jesus).

Genocidal attitudes are alive and well amongst Christians right here at home, my friend. A personal story: a Christian just the other day informed me of his impatience for the return of Jesus Christ so his army of believers can forcibly convert and slaughter all the Jews in the Holy Land. His enthusiasm was unmistakable, I kept listening with a grin on my face as he walked me through all the epic violence and mass murder that would take place before informing him that I was, in fact, a Jew. At which point he told me, without hesitation and very matter of factly, of how strongly he 'supports' Israel, with the irony being completely lost on him. Is this what I would have to look forward to in a Christian utopia? If so, then it is not any different from what the fanatical Muslims claim and teach their children.

Say what you may, but I fear the Christian fanatics in control of at least half of the politics in this country through the GOP about as much as I fear Al-Qaeda, knowing fully well that the former possesses far more destructive power if they choose to unleash it (with Iraq only being a very small sample of that), and fully knowing that would form of extremism affects me, personally, far more than the other in terms of way of life. But mostly, I fear the synergy effect created by two extreme ideologies at opposite ends combining forces and holding the entire world hostage to their endless battles. I would take World War II over that any day.

 

Kind of like when you started a thread to say you were offended that people pray in public?

 

Dude, you speak for me on so many topics, it is kinda scary

Thanks for saying most of what I have to say only far more eloquently. Unlike ATW or others, you are honest about your intentions and you debate the issues. Much respect!

 

Very cool. Much thanks. You should post more!

 

ludacris.

 

This is odd. None of the articles you posted have any of them demanding apologies, making threats, stomping their feet, burning down embassies, or condoning threats/attacks. The only thing you see is outrage.

So basically, in your little world, expressing discomfort is OK, but outrage is not. Posting insults is not OK unless they are on your little personal list of acceptable ones. Praying in public over food is OK, but not on the ground.

You have a lot of inconsistent and bizarre rationales for what amounts to you wanting everyone to think like you. Thankfully, it doesn't appear many people actually do given the responses you've gotten in all of these various threads.