Hou sends: Yao, Hill, Bud, Jefferies, 2012 NY 1st rd pick, 2011 LAC 2nd rd pick Hou gets: Granger, Kaman Indiana sends: Granger, Posey Indiana gets: Hill, Bud, Yao, 2012 NY 1st rd pick LAC sends: Kaman LAC gets: Jefferies, Posey, and their own 2011 2nd rd pick back from Hou LAC unload Kaman and will save about $5million next year after you net with Posey's contract. They also get their 2nd rd pick back. Indiana gets Hill & Bud to play with their young core of players plus a 1st rd pick. They also get the Yao insurance $$. We get Granger who is an upgrade over Battier; Kaman is better than anything we have now at center and a nice expiring contract to have for next year trade deadline. We also will get under the tax after the trade.
I would trade for potential high lottery picks. That's it. Unless I was getting back- Kobe, D Howard, Durrant or Lebron or stealing C Paul, D Williams, D Rose, Wade, Stoudemire, Dirk, Griffin, C Anthony or Westbrook The rest of the NBA players are more of the same- some really good players and some really good role players and bench If you could steal a player like C Paul fine. But the only difference makers that it is worth gutting your future for are Kobe, D Howard, Durrant or (cry baby) Lebron. Get draft picks over the next couple of drafts and start from the ground up, then adjust your current roster to complement the draft picks you hit on, keep drafting like a genious and one day we will be competing for a championship. I wouldn't go after any all star caliber player in that second tier unless I already had a franchise player on the roster- that I drafted. Even what Miami pulled off in this past off season isn't a lock on the finals- Boston and Orlando have demonstrated that it takes more than names to be dominant. The Lakers are still a very tough out and SA looks ready if they stay healthy. We need to rebuild at the draft.
rhester, thats the way i feel and thats why i said 2012 is the year. I also agree with your thoughts on players. They will never ascend higher than mediocrity if they don't have guys with special skillsets. Gm's gamble a lose when they draft players with a percieved special talent, but you have to be in position to draft or get that player.That player doesnt have to be special offensive or defensive,but they have to be able to dominate phases of a game.
I'd trade the veterans for future picks. I'd also trade Brooks before "the situation" gets ugly. Shane, Luis, K-Mart, Jeffries, Brooks, bye-bye. Then play the youngsters and start collecting ping pong balls. Not gonna happen, though.
So in a nutshell you would rather have Thabeet the bust than Adelman the HOF coach? Layoff the binoculars, you are seeing things out of proportion, what you’re talking about is what should be our Plan D. We are out there aggressively trying to make trades, this deadline should alter our future more than any other one, wait and see what happens. After that, you would know better whether there’s a necessity to propose such extremist things.
Silly person, don't you know that Morey has peanut butter for brains, and he'll trade the whole team for Vince Carter any day now?
We should go after Granger very hard. Start with Scola. Then add in Brooks if need be or Martin. Brooks because he is not a starter any longer. Scola because we have PFs to replace him in Hayes and Patterson.
There are so many great small forwards in the NBA that it is kind of tough for the good ones to get noticed. Seriously, between LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony and Paul Pierce, it can be tough for people to realize how talented a player is if he has to play the same position as those guys. Indeed, Danny Granger garnered national attention in recent years for wanting to build an actual Batcave in his house as opposed to being recognized for his scoring ability as the starting small forward for the Indiana Pacers. Why is it that the spotlight finds ways to avoid Granger? There are various reasons, but the biggest one obviously is the team’s record. As long as the Indiana Pacers continue to be at the bottom of the standings, it will be hard for anyone outside the state of Indiana to take notice of his talents. Look at the team’s record in the past few seasons: Season Record 2007-08 36-46 2008-09 36-46 2009-10 32-50 2010-11 16-22 No matter what the record of a team is, one can still look at the performance of its best player and give him his just due for still showing up and giving it his best. For instance, Kevin Love is playing for a bad Minnesota team right now but that does not mean that we should ignore his incredible level of play so far this season. But then again, would Danny Ocean matter at all to us if he had been unsuccessful in pulling off the heist at the Bellagio in Ocean’s Eleven? Probably not. Consequently, the Pacers need to start winning for most people to even realize that the former New Mexico player is still in the league. Also, there is the small matter of his declining production. We marveled at Granger’s ability to consistently improve his game, as his scoring average progressively increased in his first four seasons. Look at the numbers the Pacers star forward put up in his first four years: Season MPG PPG RPG FG% 3P% 2005-06 22.6 7.5 4.9 .462 .323 2006-07 34.0 13.9 4.6 .459 .382 2007-08 36.0 19.6 6.1 .446 .404 2008-09 36.2 25.8 5.1 .447 .404 His steady improvement was far too hard for the rest of the league to ignore, and thus he was rewarded by being selected to participate in the 2009 NBA All-Star Game. Mind you, the true measure of stardom in the NBA is the ability to be great consistently. And although Granger’s production has still been better than most players at his position, his statistical output still took a dip after his great 2008-09 season. Have a look at the graphic below: Season MPG PPG RPG FG% 3P% 2009-10 36.7 24.1 5.5 0.428 0.361 2010-11 36.9 20.9 5.6 0.419 0.376 Our would be Batman’s scoring output has decreased in his past two seasons, and the same thing has happened with his field goal shooting. No longer do we view Granger has the high scoring forward with the below the rim game that no one can stop; instead he is now labeled as “the guy putting up decent numbers on a bad team”. Gone are the incredible scoring outbursts like when he lit up the Jazz last season at home for 44 points in a win, instead we now have to settle for a routine 20 points every night. Granger is no longer seen as being in the same class as players like Carmelo Anthony and Paul Pierce; instead we are now more enamored with the likes of Wilson Chandler and Rudy Gay because of their prowess as scorers but also because they have a knack for turning defenders into screensavers. Don’t be fooled though; despite the declining production and the subpar team record, Danny Granger can still get hot for long stretches. His performance against the Clippers Monday night should serve as a reminder of his skill set.
WojYahooNBA: Sleeper team in 'Melo pursuit: Houston. Picks, young players and most of all, sources say, a willingness to do trade w/o Anthony extension. Could have started new thread but there you go.
gah- What I'm saying is they shouldnt keep getting system offensive guys and start getting impact defensive guys too. I thinkl thaeet can be a game changing defender. Now because he may not fit the princeton offensive doesnt mean the rockets shouldnt trade for him. I mentioned the test drive situation the rockets should be in. If they get a guy who can alter shots and the rim and blk shots and rebound, it would not only drop the fg% of the opponets,but also drop the ppg despite the high ppg the rockets score. Right now and even with carmello, the rockets are not good enough defensively to be serious. The only guy who can guard his man without help is shane and chuck. Its early impossible to win anything when 3 of the 5 cant guard their position. Back to the adelman situation, there are no guarantees he's coming back. If it was that certain,he wouldve signed an extension by now. Maybe some other team comes in and overpays for him or offers him some kind of control. Maybe he goes back to one of his old jobs like sacramento or portland. There are just too many factors to consider.
Glad to understand you were not proposing to let Adelman walk away. Going for Thabeet would mean to step backwards competitive wise, the fella is a major project and will be at least beyond a year. I am holding up and hoping for a trade that gives us a lift in competing right now and in the future. This team is at a major crossroad until some trade happens, whether we bat a homerun like we have been led to expect or we have to settle with something along the lines of what you propose remains to be seen. But make no mistake, we are going to swing for homeruns first and foremost, what you have been professing is more suited to be a back-up plan if we go by our front office philosophy, which in this case I support.
"Can't defend his position," is kind of harsh. I think you can say that about Martin; arguably about Scola. Just because you aren't as good as Battier or Hayes doesn't mean you're incompetent.
DM has to clear the logjam we have at SG and PF.....we have too many good players....and we need to jettison some to get some flexibility back.... If that means we give up some of our expirings and picks and a young player for a rental...ok....because right now, we have 15 NBA rotation players, and you can only play 8-10....we have too many... DD
Scola and martin cant defend their posititions at any point. Lowry and brooks have their issues at the point, ut martin,scola,and chase are by far the worse defenders in space and in close quarters on this team. When you hav guys like that, youneed a big time rimprotector/guy who can alter shots. If not, they will always be a phony team.
