Being a Control Freak, JVG Leads Rockets to Nowhere

Time to start weeding out the bad thread starters.

 

After 7mins of game time each:

Novak's stats were 1-4fg , he hit a 3.

Hayes grabbed 2rbs.

While Padgett was 1-2fg, a 3 pointer and had 3rbs.

 

Our scoring efficiency didn't stink. You're ignoring the fact that we got to the line a ton (albeit, we didn't shoot a good percentage) and we hit a bunch of threes. Overall, our scoring efficiency was 54 TS%. That's just slightly above average (league average last several years has been 53-54%). On the other end, though, we allowed the Jazz to score with 61 TS%. That's totally unacceptable.

He was right ... the main problem was defense.

 

Actually noone in the other thread calls him chump. They've called him stupid dweeb loser ******** jerk ****face ***hole m******* sorry excuse for a coach. But that's the first chump reference in the last 2 days.

 

^ You're right, this is the most civil FIRE JVG thread ever Five stars, baby!!

 

I hope JVG is replaced as soon as possible because, afer watching the game last night, I am even more convinced than ever that JVG and Moneyball built a team that would have been competitive five years ago. However, with the new rules favoring run-and-gun teams like the Suns, we built a team designed to stand around. With the Jazz running like deer around and through our guys, all we could do was send them to the foul line or let them have an easy shot -- not a formula that will win a championship IMO.

JVG is a coach whose time (the 90s) has come and gone. If the Jazz played us like this, I shudder to think what the Suns and Mavericks will do. I'll bet the players on those teams are already sharpening their stat stakes.

 

last night I mentioned that 3 or 4 times

I don't know, I still wonder

last night, nothing!

JVG comon man, wake t f up

 

If you are implying that JVG has coached more talented teams in his career than Phil Jackson, I really suggest you take a second look at both coaches' rosters over the years.

While I agreee that The '94 Bulls made a surprisingly good run, that team did still have a top-50 player in his prime (Pippen) and some very good role players (Kukoc, etc).

JVG's team than went to the finals lacked a true superstar (ewing barely played that year), and relied on heavy minutes from guys like Chris Childs, Charlie Ward, and a washed up Larry Johnson. I think it can be safely said that JVG's Knicks overacheived that year.

Conversely, Phil jackson has struggled the last two years with a roster featuring Kobe Bryant, one of the all time greats.

My point is that both are good coaches, but Phil Jackson does not have an extensive resume of overachieving with "scrubby" players.

 

For the record, Rick Adelman has missed the playoffs twice in his career:

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/rick_adelman/

I should be fair, Rick Adelman has coached some good teams (extremely talented teams) in his career. My only point was that his teams do not seem to be at their best when the pressure is on. (see '89 Blazers, '01-'02 Kings)

 

I never quite understood the love JVG gets for his mediocre seasons.

Hell making postseasons with one of the highest payroll in no salary restriction era with the Knicks hardly qualifies you to become a coaching greats. And those Knicks team were awaful to watch. I used to turn off the TV whenever I saw Knicks were being lived.

Furthermore, I have always felt that coach has incentive to emphasize defending and less on offence. Why? Because people normal credit good attacking displays with the skill-set players and vice-verse with the coach on defence. Whether this is true or not, I dont know but I suspect that these are more myths than what actually goes on behind the scenes. Nonetheless, that is irrelevant, to the point I wish to make because - whether such belief is warranted or not - people do form their perceptions in that manner, and coach can present themselves as doing something and being active in managing the players. The other side of the coin is that offence often gets neglected during the process and in order to win it is not how much you can limit other teams to scoring but how much in the end you can outscore your opponents. Nobody wants to give away free points - but one should not emphasize this too much at the expesne of other aspects at their peril.

I know some might argue that Van Gundy does not neglect offence. But what they essentially miss is that there is limit to the amount players can absorb and a good coach like all other discipline should be selective in his choice of emphasis and words. More importantly, you just can't rhetorically say I want good defence and offence - because such set of argument is vacuous. It grossly ignores the trade-offs and uncertainties faced by players at certain situation. If players are so preoccupied as to constant think whether a particular play fits into coach's philosophy or not then they will naturally play in a tentative way. What frustrates most watching Rockets last year was that we looked so much mechanical scoring some points whilst opponenets were playing ease.

And lastly to Van Gundy's sheer stubbornness. I don't care if he thinks Bowen is a good guy and works hard. Of course, it doesnt matter to him that he is giving a million dollar buck to one of his "friends". The problem is that the money he gives to Bowen is Les' dime, and the contribution Rockets fan make to the team via revenues. We need production, and new players. One might see a last place on the bench as nothing more than a fodder but in a season which was decimated by injuries he could have used that spot to find some unknown quantity who can contribute. What is point of consistently playing J. Howard, Wesley, Alston for sake of giving "best deal" for the fans. Does he thinks fans are stupid as to they only care about instant winning? How about some up-tempo game with young fresh legs to cheer for instead of bog down ineffective post up play with Juwon. Don't get me started up on the Nuggets game.

Van Gundy needs to get off the crack and see that Coach alone cannot lead to the Championship. It is more than acknowledging in your brain. He must act in accordance. Give trusts to player to that they will make up for their mistakes with some positive attribution. And please be bold and just give the young kids to show their worth.

I wish best for the Van Gundy because it means Houston would be doing well but I just cannot see that happen. Overall I do think we will make the playoffs and we shouldnt push the panick button yet.

 

Both are good coahces? One has 9 rings and other has 0!!!!

Both are good coaches??

*laugh*

JVg could have only dreamed to take the Suns of last year to 7 games in a series. Even with a healthy Yao and Tmac.

Phil did it with just 1 superstar.

There is ABSOLUTELY no GM in this leaue who would take JVG over PJ. Except Le$.

 

Since you like giving credit for PJ's wins because of all the talent he has, it was nice and convinient of you to ignore Adelman's achievement despite coaching two of the all time playoff chokers in Webber and Peja.

And since you are talking about performance under pressure, may I remind you of the 40 point game Game 7 playoff thrashing at the hands of Dallas? yeah that was great pressure showcase all right! LOL!

 

i'm just gonna come out and say it:

shut up.

 

Well it's good to see nobody is overeacting......

 

because you started this thread.

and please point to me exactly where i expressed my "love" for JVG.

 

PJ's team had a pretty poor showing in Game 7 last year as well.

Look, Phil Jackson and Rick Adelman are not Gods. Jeff Van Gundy is not the Devil. They all have their faults. That is my only point.

If the team still looks like this 40 games in, then sure, we might consider other coaches. After 1 regular season game, however, this discussion is a little ridiculous and premature

 

because he's got 4 years and 3,000+ posts with more meaning than this thread.

 

ehhh JVG needs to go.. i've been patient for 3 seasons.. and im convinced hes not the coach for us