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Being a Control Freak, JVG Leads Rockets to Nowhere

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JWhaley, Nov 1, 2006.

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  1. Cohen

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    Pop is another coach who often lets his team to play through and learn... but guess folks will only draw comparisons when it suits their purposes.
     
  2. OddsOn

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    Yeah it was really JVG's fault that the Rockets went cold and forgot how to run plays. It was also his fault that they turned the ball over and committed stupid fouls. Lets take a ride on the reality train.....players make plays, coaches draw them up!
     
  3. Cohen

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    I'm just going to give up on a bunch of posters. My ignore list will grow because of threads such as these.
     
  4. Cohen

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    And there's a perfect example...
     
  5. Cohen

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    Did you miss the end of 2005 when our boys were healthy? 72% of the last 36 games?

    Whatever...
     
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    Whether you care to acknowlege it or not there are some legitimate complaints to Van Gundy's coaching. And a continuos collapse late in the games is a direct reflection on uninspired play and poor motivational coaching. So while Van Gundy may possess above average basketball knowledge he does not instill passion in his players. I for one don't see the Rockets ever winning a championship with him. Which is why I would prefer to see JVG fired now rather than later. The experiment failed let's move on to a new era and regain or heart of a champion.
     
  7. Dei

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    Riley has an old team. The Mavs just seem to have had a slow start.

    Us? We're losing large leads day-in and day-out. Ugly wins that just bar us from being called "great".
     
  8. Cohen

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    Whats with all you anti-JVG November 2006 rookies? Caboose, LCII, NothingButNet... makes one wonder...
     
  9. NothingButNet

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    No I watched almost every game in that period. JVG didn't impress me even in that stretch. I don't hate JVG. I just believe JVG will neve lead this team to the championship.

    Tonight is another example. The is the 4th time this team couldn't hold a solid lead and Rockets only have played 9 games. If this scenario continues, he should definitely take some responsibility of it. If a coach replies on players adjusting themselves, then he is not an useful coach.
     
  10. Cohen

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    Sure there are legitimate complaints to JVG's coaching. It's the ridiculous illegitimate ones that suck. Again, the 1 year we've had some decent, healthy talent late in the year we won at over 70%. Do I need to tell you that's excellent? We didn't have the depth and young legs for a good deep run but that team performed quite well.

    This team has shown flashes of brilliance already even with an out-of-shape TMac, 2 new guys in the rotation (so far), what will likely be our 3-leading scorer not even playing. We've killed Dallas, Miami, and though we lost... were able to build a large lead against SA also. Won 5 of the last 6. We've consistently had one of the premier defenses...and are near the very top in point differential this year.

    Your arguments are a joke.
     
  11. Turcan5

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    Then when should a coach get fired? Every coach in the league draws up plays for their team to win. If a team plays at a level that is beneath it's assembled talent, then shouldn't the coach be held responsible? The only other choice would be to get new players.

    I know it's only two games, but they were ugly to watch. This game almost feels like a loss to me.
     
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    so much for being the best at preparing his team for an entire game, let alone an entire season. he is a very short-term style coach with neither vision nor creativity.
     
  13. Cohen

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    They beat a good team tonight, and to a certain extent beat them at their own game... hustle points.

    So would you and your kind feel better if we had only a 1 point lead all game? After all, you seem to be ignoring the fact that we can build a 20 point lead on anyone (Miami, Dallas, SA, Chicago already). If the area we need to improve is to learn how to hold the lead, so be it. There can be much worse issues for a team to deal with.


    And if the 2005 run did not impress you... there's nothing left to dicsuss.
     
  14. Cohen

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    What would your answer be? When games are ugly or almost feel like a loss to you?
     
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    You should be able to get my answer from the middle of my previous post, which you omitted when replying to me.
     
  16. Cohen

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    Then why mention the ugliness of 'feels like a loss' if they weren't relevamnt to your point?

    So you feel this plays below it's talent level?
     
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    The season is still young, but two consecutive games where they blow 19 point leads does show they have some problems. A team with two of the best offensive players in the league should be able to avoid this kind of collapse.
     
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    I never denied the success of the team currently has, I neve lost faith in this team, I do not want you to misunderstand me. I was impressed with 2004-05 run, what I said was I was not impressed by JVG's coaching, even in that period. Just like you can't give all the blames to JVG when the team loses, you can't give all the compliments to JVG when the team wins as well.

    If you compare to Popvich, I've never seen he allows the Spurs to make the same mistake in more than 2 games(maybe you have, maybe I haven't seen enough Spurs games like you). The big fact right now is the Rockets have been making the same mistake with different opponents in different arenas but almost in the same period, as a coach he should definitely find a solution to let it diminish in the upcoming games. If our goal is to see the Rockets to go into the playoffs, then JVG is suitable. If the goal is to win the championship, we need the coach like Pop or Phil Jackson. No matter how your defend or support JVG, I just can't see anything that favors you right now.
     
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    rocket's best 3pt shooter is yao ming.
     
  20. Cohen

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    You think TMac is anywhere near the top of his game yet?

    Agreed, they have some problems. But who doesn't expect problems at this point... ours or any other team? So we lost one giant lead to the best team in the league and salvaged a win against a good team in another ...we can live with that.

    We should be celebrating the ability of this team to build 20-point leads against 4 good teams, only 9 games into the season.
     

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