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Being a Control Freak, JVG Leads Rockets to Nowhere

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JWhaley, Nov 1, 2006.

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  1. akuma

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    it's almost like he's so arrogant about his coaching. as if the players would only just do what he says and buy into his system and "hustle" or "froth at the mouth", he can't lose. he needs to get it into his skull that many times, it's not about him or his way. players differ, teams differ, and their responses accordingly. you know the sure sign of a person's insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. a quite common condition.

    i've always maintained that he was just an above average coach. yet many an average coach in whatever sport has looked like a hall of famer when he has a team that is able to win or go far in spite of him. but JVG's inflexibility just might be the bane of the Rockets. :(
     
  2. WNBA

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    This thread needs to be bumped out because JVG sucked again.
     
  3. tchou

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    It's a disappointing loss blowing a 20pt lead. Very obvious JVG couldn't counter Pop's half-time adjustments. I would've preferred better player rotations too. =\
     
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    SA did a better job at making adjustments.

    I felt good that we hung with the predicted champs and I think they exploited our PF dilemma.

    JVG did not lose that game for us, our shooting did. Every team in the NBA (including us know that if you force jumpers you can win any game)

    IMO JHo would have done a better job against Duncan than Hayes would have. If Pops had exploited the height difference between Duncan and Hayes, every one here would have dogged JVG for allowing an undersized PF against a hall of famer.

    I'm concerned about our PF situation not our coach!
     
  5. WNBA

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    Any win or loss is decided by shooting. JVG should be fired because he can not shoot for the Rockets. :p


    JVG's job is coaching, making ajustments during the game, b****ing who ever brick jumpers like TMAC and miss layups like Yao, replacing tired and scared players like Alston with someone who can handle the pressure, such as VSpan...

    The team win or lose, if JVG had done his job, this thread would not even .....
     
  6. uomerock

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    I wish, I wish, JVG will get sick, so someone will replace him. He will not get fire with this record. And the rookies have a chance to play some minutes out there, beside i don't think he's a strategy guy, shortsighted, stubborned. He isn't dare to take risk, just an average coach. :( :(
     
  7. rv2843

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    JVG sucks. He sucks because he is short sighted, stubborn, and stereo-typed. But should we get rid of him? Probably not, simply because there is no better coach around. However, I do hope he can learn from the past and adapt.

    What are the goals of rockets? I can see there are only two: 1: make money as an organization, and 2: championship.

    Fans bought tickets to see their players to play. However, JVG doesn't even want to play KB and Novak when we lead by 20. I can tell you Greek fans are really dispointed.

    Can we win championship this year? Probably not. If this is the case, we should have our plan set for mostly next. In this case, we should get young players ready for next year (or even this year). We might be lose a game or two when we lead by 20 if we play young players, but I don't think one or two games might affect our playoff chances. On the contrary, our starters get more rest and play better. Playing for JVG is really tiring because players have to run and play harder at both ends of the court.
     
  8. m004378

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    JVG is dull, conservative and old-school. He is definitely not a good fit for current rocket team. :mad:
     
  9. NothingButNet

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    I never liked JVG, since he entered this franchise.

    Remember, this is the last year in his contract. He must produce good result so he can have enough to ask Les for an extention. This means no foul plays, no risky steps, no stunts. Do you guys believe he would play a player he doesn't have confidence in? Juwon is old and Scotty is so-so, so what? They are vets and JVG trusts them.

    Have you guy still remembered JVG was not quite into VSpan coming over this year? If not for Mike James, he would definitely not going to get VSpan. We all know VSpan has played in the World Championship games, although NBA is a new system to him, with his basketball IQ, his talent and experience, he is more than capable of making contribution now.

    As to JVG's treatment of Steve Novak, I'm speechless. If he played in the Suns under Make D'Antoni and with Steve Nash, he could have been in the top 10 list of the rookies.

    Matt Bullard often quotes in his broadcasts that his coach taught him it's better to shoot the ball than not shooting at all. I'd like say to JVG, it'd better to play Novak and VSpan than not playing them at all.

    What happened to "Mr Positivity" he promised us this season? Why am I still feeling very tired and depressed watching he coaching and Rockets playing?

    Rocket fans, if you are realists, please don't put in high hope this season. Rockets won't be advancing deep to the playoffs under JVG.

    Yes I agree that it'd be better to let JVG stay and finish his contract because he can still improve this team. But for the Championship level, I don't think there more than 3 coaches in the whole country who can lead this team to achieve and JVG is not in it.

    I have nothing against JVG himself, I'm sure he is a good human being and very diligent coach. But he just can't achieve that kind the chemistry with the Rockets we fans expected.

    This is just my thoughts. I know some of you guys will argue against me in every point of mine, that's fine by me. I wish I was wrong about him. But three years have passed, I've not gained an inch of confidence in JVG and he just keeps disappointing the fans (not all of them but a large portion at least).
     
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    POP should lose his job after that Bobcat debacle?
     
  11. Rocket River

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    2nd round or bust

    this team *really* should goto the WCF Championships

    I truly Beleive
    1. A Great Coach could win a Championship with the talent level on this team
    2. A Very Good Coach can take them the Championship round
    3. a Good Coach can take them to the WCF
    4. a decent coach can get them to the 2nd round
    5. a h*lf *ssed coach can get them to the playoffs

    At the end of the Year .. . JVG will be judges on 1-5
    as far as I'm concerned

    Rocket RIver
     
  12. OddsOn

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    I think we should start a thread called "BBS Posters Suck!" and list all the negative nancies who constantly post this type of drivel for no appearant reason.

    The only time rookies typically see the floor is on teams who have little talent and have no choice; garbage time in blowouts (either teams); unless they are superior talent wise like Lebron, D-Wade etc. Novak and V-Span are not that at all. So quit you menstral b****in' and enjoy the season for peets sake... :rolleyes:

    The reason we lost the San Antonio game is our players quit playing defense and then when the Spurs started making up ground they panicked and could not buy a basket. Just look at the box score and blame the players instead of the coach. Putting inexperienced rookies in the lineup to replace them would not have helped. If you truly think this then you clearly are dilusional.
     
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    Is Van Gundy afraid to call a timeout when the Rockets have a lead? He never stops the other team's momentum...
     
  14. Honey Bear

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    Spanoulis struggled to take care of the ball in the preseason and his play could get pretty reckless. Still needs time.

    Right now Novak is a three-point shooter and nothing else. Get over it, unless he proves he isn't a defensive liability or can show some versatility, he isn't getting minutes.



    Just because there's a combination out there that hasn't been tried, doesn't mean it's going to work. I'm not even a fan of JVG, but please stop the b****ing and moaning so early in the season.
     
  15. LCII

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    Ronny, your kind of thinking is a loser attitude. "just because it hasn't been tried doesn't mean it'll work' ? WTF kind of attitude is that? Then try it out and see if it works ?
     
  16. LongTimeFan

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    I'll defend JVG about Vspan, we have trouble enough protecting the ball. But there is absolutely no reason why Novak shouldn't be getting minutes. Absolutely none. Especially when we get a big lead, Novak's dead-eye shooting could de-moralize a team.
     
  17. Honey Bear

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    Do you know what Kyle Korver's +/- has been through out his career? Absolutely terrible, because he plays no defense, only moves on offense when he expects to receive the ball and this is a guy who is much more mobile than Novak. This board just jumps on an opinion then pimps it to no end. "START STROMILE SWIFT GODDAMNIT" etc. You have to consider the benefits as well as the drawbacks of playing a certain player. It's frustrating to have a stubborn, old-fashioned and at times ordinary coach like JVG, but nagging about little solutions like "give Spanoulis more minutes" because it hasn't been tried... gets old quick.
     
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    I'm starting to get tired of Van Gundy. I know, this team's doing well, but with the talent we've got, we SHOULD be doing well.

    I want to say that it's Van Gundy not figuring out his rotation yet, but if these third quarter meltdowns don't stop soon, we need to get someone that is willing to play some energy guys. I'm SICK and TIRED of seeing tired legs on the floor in the third, leading to poor performance and us giving up a 20 point lead. The way our team is playing right now, we should only have one loss (against the Jazz). Sooner or later these meltdowns are gonna come back and kill us.

    I think that even if Bonzi was allowed to play, we'd only have one loss.



    PLAY BONZI. PLAY VSPAN. PLAY NOVAK.

    - A concerned fan
     
  19. Amel

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    his coaching sucked tonight

    the little incident with snyder was hillarious
     
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    OK, Yao sucks too. But then again, Van Gundy played him over 38 minutes tonight -- a team high.
     

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