Beijing Authorities to Ban Blacks and Mongolians from Bars During Olympics

History repeats itself. Here we have New Yorker to defend a racist, yet again, and the argument is? Don't hold your breath, it's about the racist's "intention", the genius New Yorker has all that figured out, yet again.

 

NewYorker, just by that last paragraph alone, you are a f*king idiot and shouldn't be posting here anymore to embarrass yourself.

Not that China hasn't raised its currency against U.S. dollar -- in fact Chinese Yuan has risen 20% against the Dollar since late 2005 -- but how can you possibly demand a stronger U.S. dollar and a high Yuan-to-Dollar exchange rate at the same time? Seriously, moron?

 

Anyone who thinks Max is a "Sino-phobe" needs to go on medication, ASAP, in my opinion.

By the way, serious attempts at reforming the Indian caste system didn't occur until the 1930's, when the British "Government of India Act" of 1935 was passed. The caste system is gradually being displaced, but was certainly in use in the 1960's, when I spent a couple of months in India. I have no doubt that it continues to exist today, if on a much lower level.



Impeach Bush/Cheney.

 

Surely satire isnt *that* hard to figure out.

anyone that thinks MadMax is any sort of a hater of ANY people needs their heads examined.

Its called SATIRE people....satire takes a slight nugget of truth and stretches it to ridiculous extremes, no sane thinking person takes the picture at face value.

Just like the New Yorker cartoon......scratch that, not just like....EXACTLY LIKE.

wow people, get a sense of humor would ya?

 

Think about it - the PRC is intentionally devaluing it's currency against the dollar to keep a competitive advantage. The end result of this is keep up a huge current accounts deficit which in turn drives down the value of the dollar. If the Yuan was allowed to float - it would increase much much more than 20% and thus result in a shrinking current account deficity (because US exports would become cheaper and Chinese Imports more expensive resulting in a smaller trade imbalance). That would strengthen the dollar.

I'd apprecitate if you refrain from the nasty language. I do so and I think it's fair to ask you address me in a respectful tone of voice. I do the same for you.

 

Actually it was Congress lead by Gandhi and Neru that got ride of the caste system. They had to lobby the British to pass the act.

Legally, there is no caste system in India. But just as you have social classes that are disadvantaged all over the world - you have that in India. It should be pointed out that many of the lower caste have risen to become businessmen and even elected to political office. India has had an "untouchable" prime minister and currently one of the hottest politicians is a "dalit" Today, the caste system is a cultural phenonmenon - not a political or legal one.

 

So let me get this straight. If something negative comes out about China - it's either bad reporting, lies, miscommunication, or any of a host of reasons. China can do no wrong right? It's right on every issue. If a Chinese poster makes a racist statement about blacks, it's because he's not really Chinese and is lying. But other way around and he must be a racist even if it appears he's mocking the original post.

I mean, do you guys actually ever admit to any flaw with China? Or are you card carrying members of the PRC?

And do you do anything besides personally attack people whom you disagree with?

Frankly, I have to say, it doesn't really reflect well when nearly every poster on this board who is pro-China (wnes, severe critic, yourself, MFW, and others) - all use abusive language and can't take any criticism of the PRC. I mean, don't you think that's a bit odd?????

 

The same reason why Pryuen can never criticize Yao.

notice how Yao has never had a bad game EVER with the Rockets, even when he's getting out played by Okur and Boozer.

 

Let me get this straight too. I am not representing every Chinese here, but for me, and many Chinese as I see (including many posters here), we don't see no wrong in CCP, not at all. We want to see improvements in:

1. Better system of checks and balances, like a truly separate judicial system, etc.
2. Clean up the mess in environmental pollution
3. More freedom in press, speech and assembly, ...

The list can go on. But you know what, I want to see these changes for the interests of all Chinese people, not to meet westerner's idealism of so-called "democracy". Let me give you an example:

1. First, you'd isolate China as the CCP government is suppressing ppl's rights, it not democratic; while not to India since it's democratic. But in reality, the dictatorship CCP has done better to its ppl's interest in a lot of ways comparing to India, like literacy, life expectancy, etc.

2. My point is, even as "bad" as CCP is, it's not doing everything against ppl's will. For example, you say China is intentionally slowing down the process of RMB appreciation. Do you honestly believe it's against Chinese ppl's interest, or will? Maybe if there was a "democratic" Chinese government, it would magically act in American's interest? Sorry, China is too big to be your little puppet.

3. In other words, I hate people waving the "democratic" flag like for other's interests but in reality it's all about themselves.

4. For me, a responsible government should act in the interests, not necessarily to the will of of its people, in the long term. And right now for CCP, it's doing a poor job in both (interest and will) for the list I gave above and more, it's doing a soso-to-good job in interest but not will like birth control, Taiwan issue, and it's a soso-to-good job in both like economic growth. etc.

5. Last, back to the story which caused this mess. I said before, it's unlikely a totally made-up story but it's blown out of proportion. And to put in a bigger picture, foreigners in China, be it black, white, yellow, CCP is giving them special privileges that normal Chinese don't enjoy, which for Chinese, it's against their will and interest. Doesn't mean you don't get beaten up in isolate cases, doesn't mean you don't get to stare at/prejudiced by ignorant people, but if ***** happens, you are barking at the wrong tree if you blame them all on CCP. So you can dream an overnight democracy in China, but be careful what you wish for.

 

I'm very aware that Gandhi struggled to get rid of the caste system, but he didn't have a great deal of success for quite a while. He couldn't even get the National Congress Party to sign off on reforms that would have helped move the "lower castes" into participation in government. Nehru became deeply involved with him, but helping the lower castes were just one aspect of the struggle. Gaining independence was at the top of the list. Of course there was pressure from the reform movement on the British, who rarely backed reform in India unless it was in their interest to do so, but it is striking that in the 1930's the National Congress was reluctant to reform the caste system.

If you wish to compare the status of the lower castes in India to "social classes that are disadvantaged all over the world, " you are free to do so, but that was not how the status of the caste system existed in the 1960's, and I doubt that the huge numbers of poor Indians in the countryside view the caste system the same way. Big progress? Of course, but in my opinion, there is a long way to go and the Black population in America, for example, have it far better.



Impeach Bush/Cheney.

 

No I don't. Basso post stuff that is inflammatory but I highly doubt that he believes Barack Obama is hanging out with Osama Bin Ladin. He might believe that Obama's policies will weaken the fight against Al Qaeda but I don't believe that he believes they are actually working together.

 

You're pretty quick to call people sinophobes but have you considered that is your own attitude in regard to those who you consider sinophobes why they treat you like a goon? These Chinese related discussions have for the large part ended up like the Liberal vs. Conservative discussions where it has come about bashing based on pre-assumed labels. Perhaps I am just a hopeless D & D idealists but I believe that posters positions on the PRC are far more complicated and nuanced than each side portrays the other.

 

I think geo-politically it was the right thing for Nixon to do but I don't think that the PRC would've remained a closed society if Nixon hadn't engaged the PRC. The decision for the PRC to open up and reform their economy was primarily an internal decision by Deng Xiaoping and I strongly doubt Nixon had anything to do with Deng coming to power. Whether Nixon had gone to China or not Mao still would've died and it is still likely Deng would've come to power.

 

plus none of you suckers in the D&D get the Michael Jackson references,
(i'm guessing judoka and a few people do) which shows that they're overall knowledge of the world is not well rounded like the superiority of the 1999ers.

some people have to talk to the man in the mirror and ask him to change his ways.

 

The British divide and conquer strategy didn't help. Initially they actually strengthened the caste system, although later on they did help force mitigation of it.

The Congress Party was the only national party to have a large dalit following. There was a lot of friction in terms of demands for a separate electorate for dalits - that's where the main point of contention was. It was political versus anything else.

You are right in that the caste system still exists in villages - mainly because it's not easy for gov't to enforce policy in rural areas. But in the cities and public arena, caste differences has largely disappeared. Now it's about the struggle of dalits to uplift their economic status.

 

My suggestion to you is, quit generalizing everything China related. If you keep doing that, your argument won't be taken seriously. Many posters, including some posters with Chinese background, have trouble with your certain debating style. Can you quote one single instance that posters with Chinese background attack Americans as a whole, or Indian Americans as a whole, or all Indians, because of your posts?

But you on the other hand, standard style is quoting one blog or one report to make your own point, how China or Chinese people as a whole are this and that. The evidence can be found in almost every single thread regarding China, from you or some others. Now, is that a bit odd? Whenever you are confronted by the debating, you will copy and paste that "China can do no wrong" paragraph, to prove your standard "China is always wrong" conclusion.

If you really want to discuss and debate, let's do away with such generalization, it's not helping and not getting anyone anywhere. Let's focus on the thread itself - a report claiming PRC government policy to target black people. That's very serious issue, if it's indeed true, because that would be blatant racism. However, if that's false, it's equally serious, because that's distorting facts or paint a whole country of 1.4 billion people as racists. Do you agree?

Many posters are focusing on that report, which hasn't been supported by any other source on this accusation of government policy. With everyday gone by, it looks more and more like a false accusation. I am not interested in the motive of the reporter, but the facts at hand and common sense, I just can't be convinced that's true. You chose to believe it at the first glance, that's your freedom. But while being challenged on your supporting argument, claiming "China can do no wrong" by posters disagree with you, is very disingenuous.

Speaking of personal attacks, I think Sammy is doing a lot better in that department. He delivers happily, and takes it with ease as well. You and Otto on the other hand, never hesitating to insult a whole ethnic group, but whine immediately once you are called "stupid". How about an agreement, let's go ahead to target the poster you are arguing with, if you really have to insult someone, but leave his family, his ethnic background, and the whole people of similar background or race, out of the insults?

 

I don't think anyone would expect China to act in a way that wouldn't be in their own interests. But if those 3 points you outline were enacted, I;d say that would address 99% of my issues with China.

The only point we disaggree on is the currency - which I think it's fair to the U.S. China is manipulating it's currency to gain a trade advantage -a nd that's not consistent with being a member of the W.T.O. China benefits immensely from trade with the U.S. and from MFN status - so I democracy or not, it's a legitimate beef we have.

Now that Chinese citizens are treated so badly is terrible and that needs to change as well. But I think having a seperate court system, a bill of rights, and a free press would address that issue. Right now, China is a police state - and I can't imagine that Chinese people are happy living in that versus one where they can speak their mind.

It's not just our interests that are better represented by having a more democratic China, but everyone's interests, most of all the Chinese people. Why else would we advocate democracy for China?

 

why do we want democracy for china?

people love their government there cause it seems to be in the best interest of business and international investors. we move some operations there and stuff is real cheap so our US companies can make a nice profit on sold goods.

for example. Ipods are assembled in China, Apple makes $80 off that ipod while the chinese company makes $4. and they are happy making that $4. Imagine if they started thinking for themselves and demanded higher pay and social security and health care? the probably want to make more than $4 off that Ipod.

Keep China they way it is! Keep our costs low. Corporate America needs to keep costs low so we can drive BMWs, so outsource to China for manufacturing and India for tech help.

 

you're on a roll...

 

Oh I get them but I'll take Prince as my King of Pop anyday over Michael Jackson. But you keep on partying like is 1999.