There are three misleading thoughts you have made. First, he didn't say that his daughter was going to be harmed by the homosexuals. He didn't want to explain the situtation to her at a young age. Second, physical harm is not the only issue, there is emotional harm also. I know people who were picked up and seduced with the aid of alcohol and drugs. They were taken advantage of and several were minors. This happens. It happens on the streets of Houston at parties and clubs. There are many hurting homosexuals who have suffered serious emotional abuse because of so called 'loving' sex. Third, Bigotry is hate. There is no need to hate a prostitute, a minister or a homosexual. The poster never once gave grounds for hating. I don't believe he hates homosexuals at all. He loves his daughter and he has parental responsibilities and whatever he decides to do I don't think hate is a motive in my opinion.
My step mother went in the closet 5 years ago, she came out of the closet 2 years ago and that was after 4 kids and 20+ years of marriage. Her girlfriend and her will be the first to say they weren't born that way, but they prefer it to heterosexual marriage and they are quite happy with their choice.
For those masquerading their "concern for the children" for their disdain for gays. From the American Psychological Association: "As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased, three major concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). One is that the children of lesbian and gay parents will experience more difficulties in the area of sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents. ... A second category of concerns involves aspects of children's personal development other than sexual identity. ... A third category of concerns is that children of lesbian and gay parents will experience difficulty in social relationships. For example, some observers have expressed concern that children living with lesbian mothers or gay fathers will be stigmatized, teased, or otherwise victimized by peers. Another common fear is that children living with gay or lesbian parents will be more likely to be sexually abused by the parent or by the parent's friends or acquaintances. Results of social science research have failed to confirm any of these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999). Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a). Studies of other aspects of personal development (including personality, self-concept, and conduct) similarly reveal few differences between children of lesbian mothers and children of heterosexual parents (Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). However, few data regarding these concerns are available for children of gay fathers (Patterson, 2004b). Evidence also suggests that children of lesbian and gay parents have normal social relationships with peers and adults (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). The picture that emerges from research is one of general engagement in social life with peers, parents, family members, and friends. Fears about children of lesbian or gay parents being sexually abused by adults, ostracized by peers, or isolated in single-sex lesbian or gay communities have received no scientific support. Overall, results of research suggest that the development, adjustment, and well-being of children with lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from that of children with heterosexual parents." http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/policy/parents.html http://www.psych.org/news_room/press_releases/adoption_coparenting121802.pdf Some other resource information: http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/fightforfamily2.html http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/29/politics/29marry.html http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=273
I'm sorry. No, I hadn't seen that thread, and I thought you were accusing me of putting a "spin" on a situation.
my daughter's five, and is part of the post 9/11 baby boom that has overrun parts of manhattan, particularly the west side, where there are now 30% more children than there were 5 years ago. the other day we were walking to school, and for some reason she made a comment about 9/11, and i said, yeah, but that happened before you were born. she said, "right, i was still in mommy's belly" and i said, "uh, not quite," to which she responded, "oh, yeah, i was still in a refrigerator in new jersey with carl..." point being, conception and sex have little to do with one another, and sex and parenting have nothing to do with one another. my children have friends with two mommies, two daddies, a step mom or a step dad, or just one parent. some families adopt children, and some families need help from a doctor to have children. they also have lots of friends with a mother and a father. to them, there's lot's of different ways to be a family, and all of them are special. as far as the stigma that might be associated with being the child of gay parents, it's your job as a parent to teach your kids that there isn't one. the best way to do that is go to the birthday party, and show everyone how "cool" you really are.
nope, he is not ostracizing them, like refusing to talk to them, refusing to serve them at a grocery store, make them use a different public rest room etc that is oastracizing. What he is doing is trying not to have to explain something to his daughter that he is uncomfortable explaining to her at her maturity level. You are over reacting and it is not bigoted in the least. I didn't say it was a different kind of abuse (though it does cause a different set of issues) I said that there is emotional abuse and there is. If you are trying to argue there isn't then say so. I don't think getting abused by a heterosexual is somehow 'better' than getting abused by a homosexual. What's with that? Bigots cover up hate, so what. If you don't love someone because of something they cannot change and if you are mean spirited, demeaning or you degrade them then you are a bigot and it is because you are hateful. I do not think anyone has a pure, holy core being. Not a heterosexual, nor a homosexual. I think our core beings are sinful. We lie, have pride and arrogance, we are selfish and we covet just to give the short list. By Christ's grace alone we yield to His love that accepts homosexuals and heterosexuals. Not accepting wrong, but respecting the opportunity for redemption. Being physically attracted is not fundamentally wrong at all. There are many emotional factors in attraction and many many causes. But love itself is a choice not an emotion. I don't think it is right for a man to stick another man. That is not because of any feelings, it is a moral issue for me. I know people who love crack cocaine like I love going to church. Fundementally I never try convincing someone that their core make up is addiction or obsessive or lustful whether it be sexual, emotional or mental. These are behaviors that can be under the control of a core sinfulness, but in themselves they are not unchangeable.
thanks- WildSweet&Cool: buy your kids, and yourself, this book. the text will be too young for her, but i think you'd both do well to learn the concepts. your daughter probably already instinctively knows there's nothing wrong with gay parents, or their kids. As Oscar Hammerstein wrote: You've got to be taught To hate and fear, You've got to be taught From year to year, It's got to be drummed In your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made, And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade, You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late, Before you are six or seven or eight, To hate all the people your relatives hate, You've got to be carefully taught!
1. He said he wanted to avoid interacting with them in social situations. That's one of the reasons he doesn't want to go the party. So they don't invite him and his daughter to other events. And he doesn't want his attendance at the party or other events to be interpreted as condoning their way of life. I call that ostracizing them. If you don't like that word you could say he is shunning them. 2. Why bring up the example of people harmed by abusive, or exploitive homosexual relationships if you don't think that is inherent to homosexuality? What specifically is inherently harmful about homosexual sex, that is not caused by other peoples attitudes or reaction to it? 3. The problem is that you lump homosexuality in with other "sins" or behaviors that are objectively, inherently destructive, like drug addiction, lying, or being selfish. When you do that you are causing harm, whether you mean to or not. Please explain how the act of having sex with someone from the same gender causes any harm, that couldn't also be caused by having sex with someone of a different gender.
edit: sorry, I'm really not concerned about gay people. I don't care if its a choice, or nature. there always have been and always will be gay people. i understand that.
ah, good to see another sexual preference thread pop up every now and then to liven up the old D&D Anyway, if they're not the types to flaunt base their entire self on their preferences in the bedroom, I don't see the harm in it. If they're the types who feel that they must declare their sexual preferences every 5 minutes, then I'd avoid them, whether they're straight or gay.
what's so funny about the accusations of hating gay people is, if i didn't like gay people i would just come out and say it. its just a web site. i don't have to hide anything from any of you, i don't even know you guys. its just plain stupid.
problem is that some people don't see this as a website, they think it's their life. And they think if you are being sarcastic you must be telling the truth, and then they use it to call you a liar. Then they follow you around on every thread and derail it by calling you juvenille names. you can't take those who attack you personally seriously.
You are starting to turn into MacBeth type character where everyone is out to get you. It's amazing how you can't see how r****ded the vast majority of your posts really are.
