I didn't attack anything. You made a point about stigma that was identical to one my grandmother used to make about interracial couples having kids. I was trying to make the point that what people had trouble accepting then is totally acceptable now and that the trend is good with the children of gays as well. Go back and read my post. I also thought your first post was fair and that the stigma thing was a reasonable, if a little outdated, concern. It was when you insisted that there was no commonality between the stigma of being the kid of gays and the (mostly former) stigma of being the kid of interracial parents that we had something to argue about.
Link, please? As a male parent who spent the vast majority of the time taking care of our two kids growing up, due to their mother having a more important job than I at the time, please educate me as to how they suffered and what developmental issues they clearly must have. By the way, we have gotten countless kudos from others as to how well behaved they are, they are both "gifted and talented" straight A students, in magnet school programs and the Junior Honor Society. Clearly, they are screwed up. Having made me do what seems like bragging on the two, although it is simply the truth, you could also tell me how they have suffered being raised by two liberal Democrats... the horror! Thanks in advance. D&D. Impeach Bush for Promoting Torture.
Actually I am the opposite What happens outside the home is irrelevent people are going to be jerks and *ssholes no matter what The concern for me in those senarios is what happens in the home Confusion of Sexuality, Social Mores and Folkways etc These type of things may lead to issues dealing in society There are not enough longitudinal studies to see if they make an impact I had a friend he was gay Turns out . . his father was gay Nature right well then it turns out that both his father and he were molested by men in their formative years Nuture right? My views are this: Homosexuality is a choice . . . like liking chocolate, strawberry or vanilla Heterosexuality is like needed to eat food . .it is necessary for life to continue [for the race ,humanity, to go on] If guess a more basic analogy . .. though on I am sure most would blow up with anger is this Sexuality is the need to eat to survive Homosexuality and Heterosexuality are choices on what to eat Nature defaults to the RIGHT for continued survival of humanity . . .heterosexuality Whereas Homosexuality is like eat the wrong food . . it is not condusive to the survival of humanity . . . i.e. eating Rocks is not natural . . and will lead to my death . . but i can chose to eat rocks Maybe the analogy is getting screwy . . and out of hand Rocket River I don't think one should be condemned or stones or treated badly for their choice.
True and I'm glad of that because it means that people that might make bad parents (not just because they're gay) might be weeded out. But there certainly should be a right not to be discriminated against based on sexual preference.
I think so too, because it is. I was responding to pgabriel saying that he didn't believe gayness was "birth wired." My response was meant to convey that neither is marrying outside one's race.
ASIDE: I think we need to fix the orphanage/foster home system. Long term solutions to this particular issue. Rocket River
QUESTION: Do you put your child in harms way to protect someone else's child's feelings? That is the question at hand Now you will say. . BUT THE CHILD IS NOT IN HARMS WAY . . .and the answer is THAT IS YOUR OPINION .. . the thread starter has another one . .and it is his right so answer the Question Do you put your child in harms way to protect someone else's child's feelings? Think about what you consider HARM . . and use that as an analogy We arguing whether his opinion is valid or not. . but honestly. . it is irrelevent to his question His question is simple: Do you put your child in harms way to protect someone else's child's feelings? How do you handle it Whether Harm is juggling firecrackers or running in the street . . . . the answer is no . . . never put YOUR child in harms way for ANYONE ELSE now you can go back to arguing about the validity of his opinion Rocket River
Devils Advocate: Are there any studies showing that having same sex parents is NOT harmful to kids? Rocket River
I have no problem with gay adoption or parents...because it's definitely better than the alternative. But I have to say...I would've hate to have grown up without a mother. A couple of fathers isn't the same...even if one of them is, uh, more motherly. A loving family is a loving family, though. I am also of the opinion that opposition to this will die down in the coming years, like interracial marriage. There are people who considered it (and some still do) just as unnatural. It's sad.
Kids have been raised by straight parents for a really long time now, and plenty of them end up totally brain****ed.
It's perfectly legitimate here, I think, to question the validity of his opinion. No one's asking him to feed his kid a slice of AIDS cake at the Super-Gay Birthday Penis Bash. His question was essentially one of community - how does he navigate this situation without having to explain to his daughter his opinion on homosexuality? The answer is: he doesn't have to explain. She's not going to be hurt in anyway by going to this kid's birthday party. Also, if she never asks her dad why Billy has two daddies, she's eventually gonna have it explained to her anyway - probably by other kids who will be far more indelicate about it than he will. The point I was making with the little sentimental post was that the only thing really at stake here is the little boy having the birthday party, because if WS&C is worried that attending will somehow suggest that he implicity supports gay adoption (and it would be quite a leap for a little girl to even ask the question "Is gay adoption right or wrong?" in the first place, let alone query the opinions of adults on it), then chances are his neighbors are doing the same. If he "doesn't approve of the gay lifestyle," then that's fine. If he wants to pass that prejudice on to his daughter, then that's his choice to make. But going to some kid's birthday party isn't going to jeopardize or complicate any of that. If the concern is the kids, then it's only fair to point out that none of this is of any concern to these kids, and that the opinion of the adults is something they should deal with some other way than by boycotting some little boy's birthday party in order to make a statement about their political/religious beliefs. Find a different soapbox - you know - one without a little kid trapped under it.
You assmume that she won't be harmed What if there are other Same Sex couples that what if they have Public Displays of Affection - Kissing etc I'm not stereotyping here. . but I am saying it *COULD* happen That would require some explaination . . . Rocket River Just because I don't take my kid to see broke back mountain don't mean I hate gays
If you just don't like the actors, director, westerns, yes, fine. If you're not going because of the content, then yes, you are being intolerant.
I don't think it is appropriate content for a 9 yr old Rocket River if that makes me intolerant. . . so be it
I think it applies in the early development phase, first two years or something. Anyway, I remember it from a book called, "A General Theory of Love". I have it, but I think i've loaned it out to one of my employees. It goes on extensively regarding attachments, namely what a baby makes to the mother. What I will do is try to get my copy back and see if they quote the studies, and then we can try to track them down. Also, you can find this book in probably most bookstores or check it out on Amazon. If I forget to do it, just remind me sometime.
I would like to think that my wife pumping milk from her breasts at work for over a year with each kid wasn't in vain. Perhaps they could taste her love. Certainly, she had all they could handle when she was with them. That would fall under the "quality versus quantity of love and attention" kerfluffle, but I certainly believe, based on personal experience, that fathers can be just as good at bringing up young children as the mother. Obviously, both parents are ideal, whether a traditional man and woman, or a loving gay couple of either sex, but that can't always happen, and doesn't happen in our society nearly as much as would be "ideal." My wife says that the fact that I largely brought them up, at least during the day, if she wasn't out of town (then it was 24/7, so to speak), accounts for how well they turned out. That men in a traditional male/female marriage/cohabitation far too often leave the bulk of the child rearing to the female, with the children not receiving nearly enough attention from them, and that kids from families where the husband spends a significant amount of time actually child-rearing... changing diapers, the whole nine yards, are better adjusted, better behaved, better for it (she says a great deal more about the subject, but I'm keeping it short). There are countless books on child rearing. I know, because we bought a cart-load of them when we were going to have our first, having waited very late to start our family. You can find a book to support any argument concerning raising a child. ANY argument. I wouldn't put too much stock in any particular book. Read a variety of things, use your instincts, and spend some freakin' time with your kids. If they aren't well behaved when you take them out, act on it, immediately. I did that from the time they were an infant. And for the love of god, be consistent. My children have always behaved well in a public setting. The kids of people I know, including good friends, who catered to their children's every whim, who would let them raise hell in a restaurant, etc., all had trouble with them as a result. The amount of trouble varied, of course, but they were the ones who always told us, "Just wait until you have kids. You don't understand!" So their kids are college age or older, and we have a 12 year old daughter (her birthday was today) and a 16 year old son taking 5 freshman college courses as a junior in high school. I wish we were younger, but being older isn't necessarily a disadvantage, I guess. Sorry for rambling on. My little girl just turned 12! She still thinks her Daddy is wonderful. I'm enjoying it while it lasts. And now, back to your local station. (or kerfluffle) D&D. Impeach Bush for Promoting Torture.
Damn, 10 pages. Threads like this remind me that as far as we've gone, we still have a ways to go. Seriously. It's kind of depressing.
