Beating Phoenix Style Defense (Let's come up with some ideas)

Wasn't this a movie? Celtic Pride I think.

 

it's simple really, copy what the spurs and pistons do.

1) slow the game down a lil more. we did a good job of that in the first quarter by going to yao but alston kept pushing the freaking pace. no need for easy baskets v. this team b/c our halfcourt offense > halfcourt defense.

2) role players HAVE to make shots b/c they packed the paint v. yao and tmac. force them to spread out so space for yao to operate and tmac to drive

3) yao NEEDS to stay on the floor. he can't get tired. he needs to play 38-39 mins v. the suns. he's our clearest mismatch and he needs to play a lot and be a factor. he has to tell JVG to devise other ways to get him the ball and not just post up => PICK AND ROLL W/ TMAC.

4) tmac has to dominate. in 04-05, the 2 games we won, tmac scored 38 and 29 points. he has to do well. marion is a good defender but tmac can school him. it's just sometimes tmac's mindset is if i don't shoot well, ima keep shooting to shoot well. i know he's not gonna do that in the playoffs but we need some good reg. season wins.

5) FORGET ABOUT NASH. he is always not his dominant self v. us so don't worry. worry about BARBOSA. nash and amare won't dominate us. we can guard them straight up and just let nash have the hsot off the pick and roll, which we tried to give but he kept over-dribbling.

6) relax. play our game. don't panic when they make their runs. dallas didn't. we can beat this team. it's just we panic when we're down.

 

noo we had novak in the starting lineup ... Marion tore him up...

 

Beating Suns' defense? Nuggets' AI beat them single handily tonight. LOL.

 

i think what happened was they decided to make us pay for putting steve in by makin him play defense which he has no clue how to.

 

They started novak earlier this year - he played for 20 minutes and got hammered.

 

I remember we had a novak love fest at the beginning of the season.

 

Keys to beating phx.... (in no order)

1. Don't play them on the second half of a back to back.
2. Have your team healthy.
3. Rebound on the defensive end.
4. Dont have chuck hayes set picks for tmac two feet away from where yao is posting.
5. Hit open shots that you hit against everyone else.

Honorable mention. Don't let Barbosa scorch you for 30

 

One very simple solution: V-span at SG and Yugorocketsfan at PG

 

So interesting to see the Pistons(defesive team) and the nuggets(a team we have beat) not just beating the Suns......Owning them. Funny also that the Mavs gave up their lead to lose to them b4 the sun set against the pistons and the nugs(Mavs can't be that good).

The roxs must find a way to win on 4-16 at home against the Suns. They must have Yao in MVP-ish form, tmac dominating, AND our role players hitting their threes. Slow the tempo down and play a half court game.

 

Looks like every other play-off team in the west has no problem match up with Sun. We are not likely to meet Sun before the conference final, and I seriously doubt Sun can pass Spurs, or even Denver?

Conclusion: worry about sth. else, like Jazz and Mavs.

 

I agree on with your second semiparagraph.

If yao and tmac go a combined 29 for 44 like Carmelo and A.I did. and the team shoots 31 freethrows, Rockets win everytime. Nuggets outrebounded the Suns as did the pistons. Not to mention PHX shot 13% from 3 vs. Det and 33% vs. the Nuggets. It ultimately comes down to outrebounding them. They beat us 50 to 38 on the boards. With only 1 more TO. We can't allow extra possessions, because broken plays are as bad as fast breaks in my opinion.

 

honestly the suns are a bad matchup for the rockets speed wise but i would like this team to face them once without having played the night before. the first game the rockets went through a pretty tough game against the wolves, where tmac got hurt a bit. the second game coming back from dallas without tmac or yao and this this past week again. on the other side phoenix did not play at all the night before or the night before that i believe all the times. while that isnt the sole reason for the rockets losing i think we can get a better judge at full strength and energy it was quite evident the last game that in the fourth the rockets were just too tired they shots were falling short and everyone looked tired. if i had to rank the teams in order of not wanting to meet in the playoffs i would probably rank the suns high but i tihnk we arent as bad as some make it out here.

 

I think the rockets should try to have tmac guard nash. I think he is quick enough and long enough to slow him down a little.

 

You're exactly right. Bring Yao up high and use the cutters. One other thing there that sounds crazy but I guarantee you it will work is when Yao walks out high, roll Hayes into the low block and let him post up right in front of the basket. Hayes will post the defender up clear plum under the basket and then he will grab the little drop down pass from Yao and get the bucket or the foul or both. Hayes is unbelievably strong and he will pin his man deep down there. Because he will be matched up with either Marion, Diaw, or nobody and none of those 3 is as strong as Hayes is.

 

How will the high post offense with Yao work? I'd like to konw what the first option and second option would be. Can someone walk me through an example of how that would go down?

 

Play snyder as our point guard.

Watch nash get dominated.

profit?

 

It starts with Yao in the low post. If he is covered up by 2 defenders, he immediately comes out high to receive the ball. The defenders either drag up to contest or they stay low. If they drag up to contest, he either has the cutter open back door, or the perimeter ball handler can just short circuit the whole thing and use Yao to pick off his man and penetrate. Just respond to the defense and take what they are giving us.

 

So what if only one defender (his man) comes up to contest? Then you have Yao, facing up, at the top of the key in a one on one situation. How is that advantageous? Bringing Yao up top to run a pick and roll makes sense, I guess. I think we already do that. But handing him the ball that far from the basket and expecting him to create something? I don't see how that would work. I did you like your suggestion for a High-Low option with Chuck Hayes. Not sure if it would work well, but I'd be curious to find out.

 

Nooo way. He's way too valuable for him to expend that much defensive energy. Tmac said two years ago that defending dirk litterally wore him down in the playoffs and that is nothing compared to what nash would put him through. We brought Battier here so tmac wouldnt have to worry about defending superior offensive players every night. The idea of putting JL3 on Nash sounds nice but I don't trust him to set up our offense. Nash's effectiveness can only be limited through team defense. Covering the PnR, cutting off passing lanes and outhustling on the boards is the only way we have a chance.