Major Applewhite said on the afternoon show that WSU does in fact play Hawaii in Hawaii. I am going to go to Hawaii's website and find out who they play. Is it possible ESPN is missing that game for some reason because it is in Hawaii or is Applewhite just wrong?
I dunno what Applewhite is talking about, but here's Hawaii's schedule and they are busy all the way through the end of the season: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=62 No WSU.
Well, if Major (the God, not the poster, even though he does sign my paychecks making him somewhat of a God) said it, I'm sure a bunch of Longhorn fans will demand that they do play this game even if it's not on the schedule. Could you imagine what the Cultists would do if they thought Major had a flaw? I'm smelling mass suicide!
Why is OSU getting no love in the polls? All 1st place votes went to Miami in both polls. Not all 2nd place votes went to OSU. In the AP, 5 second place votes (assuming no voter had the nerve to drop OSU to 4) didn't go to OSU.
Like I said, if it were earlier in the year and there were more undefeated teams, I think OSU would have dropped a couple of spots.
Going to the Cotton Bowl would remind me of that time KSU went to the Alamo Bowl. That was BS. Remember when you rationalized to me that wsu jumping UT was logical and reasonable (better loss, etc.)? What if OSU loses this week and Texas wins. Should Texas jump idle WSU?
Remember when you rationalized to me that wsu jumping UT was logical and reasonable (better loss, etc.)? What if OSU loses this week and Texas wins. Should Texas jump idle WSU? Yeah -- I think Texas would likely jump WSU in the polls and a few computers, or at least get closer. We would also get closer to OU because OU will get hit in the comps for playing Baylor. Tech's opponents are crazy tough so that helps our SoS a lot. I just don't know how TT + A&M will compare to UW and UCLA. It would also help if ND and UG lose, because that gets us closer to WSU in the computers where we might be 7 or 8 and they are 4 or 5.
I would like to take this opportunity to go on record as saying that even as an alum, I won't be happy if ND gets into the BCS as a 10-2 team if it means excluding a higher-ranked one-loss team.
2 teams with one loss. We should go by head-to-head, right? OSU loses to Illinois. Does this mean OSU should stay at #2 since WSU is already #3? No sense in moving them ahead of a team that beat them 25-7, right?
Good point. But, grudgingly, I'd give the edge to OSU over WSU. Personally, if OSU lost, I would put OU #2, then OSU, then UT, then WSU.
The ap voters will have a hard thing to do here. I don't know if they're biased; I really think they overanalyze the situation. I already know what the coaches would do. Everyone moves up one and OSU drops to 6 or 7. While I do take head-to-head into play, I think if you lose a game, it means you aren't playing well at the moment. OU was not a top 5 team with the way they played last week, therefore, the coaches dropped them. It can't be strictly a texas/ou or head-to-head thing. Unfortunately, when you lose should be important, imo. And, why OSU ahead of UT?
OSU's best win (WSU) is better than UT's (KSU). Personally, I like to use that logic more than UT losing to a better opponent (OU) than OSU (Ill). When you are saying who the BETTER team is, I think you have to go by better victory or higher SOS. If we were comparing two of the worst teams in the nation, then the better loss comparison make more sense IMO.
Sorry, a win at home over a then less impressive WSU team is not better than a win on the road over a good KSU team. I'm not sure what team you would support, but I'm guessing the majority of college football fans would MUCH rather have Washington State coming into their house than having to go to Manhattan.
For now OSU's win over WSU is second only in quality to OU's win over UT. If WSU loses once more where they and KSU have 2 loses I would give the edge to UT's win--but not until then. A couple of things are being overlooked though. A recent loss is worse than an early loss. Thus if the Buckeyes lose late they will be passed by 1-loss Texas, 1-loss Iowa and even the 1-loss WSU team they beat in the polls, and justifiably so IMO. OU's loss is after the earlier season win over Texas--so I think that pretty much cancels things out there--especially if Texas beats the team (A&M) OU lost to. It isn't like last year where Nebraska (#1/#2 team) beat OU at home, where Texas didn't have to play them. This year there is a different twist--where Texas beat KSU and where OU likely avoids them. A second factor overlooked is "near misses". While the computers unfortunately no longer take this into account (via margin of victory or something else) luckily the voters penalize OSU for barely escaping Purdue, Penn State, Wisconson and Cincinnati. Computers may put OSU ahead Miami, but people are smart enough to not do so based on field performance. UT should gain on WSU in schedule because Washington at best will be .500 (4-6 if they lose at Oregon), of course the Aggies need to beat Missou so that they are assured of a winning season. Both A&M and Tech have had a very tough nonconference schedules which helps SOS and some computer polls. IF UT is dominant against Tech this weekend they should move to #3 in both polls while WSU has a bye and OU was worse than a bye (Baylor)--also helping--there are just a few points between Texas, OU and WSU. What I am worried about is West Coast backlask however. That at some point voters may switch WSU and UT or run UT down not base on field performance but because they feel Oregon was screwed last year by a non-conference non-division winner remaining ahead of them in the BCS. They are so close in the polls a couple of people not showing integrety and changing positions for BCS reasons could make a difference. I also agree with Major's point about the Domers and Dawgs losses helping Texas. The Dawgs have at least as difficult of a game as Texas does this week. What I want to know is how the idiot the NYT uses put together some formula that could possibly spit out a 2-loss USC team at #3, ahead of a 1-loss WSU team that beat them and a host of other 1-loss teams. That guy needed to do some simulations with past years results and final ranking before putting together his crack pot scheme into place.
If OSU loses we drop no doubt. We have not been winning convincigly (obviously alot of people don't respect OSU when there are 2 undefeated teams and only one has all the 1st place votes). So I would guess if OSU loses we would drop below OK, TX, Iowa, WSU, and possibly Notre Dame. So in the polls OSU would be screwed. However I'm still not sure how the computer polls would play out. We are #1 in alot of those polls so I'm not sure if we lost if we fall to #2 or #8. As for quality wins for OSU say what you want. THe Big 10 is a tough conference (3 teams in top 10, I think Michigan is still top 10). More important than the quality wins is the lack of a loss. OSU gets the job done. Granted we could have lost about 3 games but we beat a real good WSU team, a competitve TT team, and everyone in our conference we have faced. Say what you want but only 1 other team can say that (Miami). Anyways I will honestly tell you as an OSU fan I have a VERY bad feeling about Illinois. Something about that game scares me.
Illinois beat Wisconsin last week, huh? I think it will be a good game. I can't get a good read on the TT/UT game. Here I am b****ing about the polls and the bcs and I'll look like a jackass if they lose in LUbbock. I certainly think they can win in Lubbock. Manhattan and Lincoln are always tough games. Can't believe UT is only a 5 point favorite.
Can't believe UT is only a 5 point favorite Tech scores like 50 a week on decent defenses, Texas scores 40 against bad defenses.....
Did you happen to read the quotes after the game? Texas could've scored 70 if they wanted to... Mack just stopped being aggressive in the second half because Kevin Steele is one of his friends. Earlier in the season, UT ran up 52 on UNC, and 49 against Tulane. We may have only scored 27 on UNT, but it was the first game of the season. Also, because Tech's defense is so bad, they have to stay aggressive in the second half, and therefore often get near 50. Texas hasn't been challenged when they've played a mediocre to bad defense, so there's a whole lot more conservative playcalling in the second half, preventing UT from running up the score.
