<B>Nebraska was third in their conference, but second in the nation?!?!? Anyone else confused by this?</B> I don't think Nebraska is third in the conference. Nebraska had the best overall record in the league (11-1), third best in the nation behind Miami (11-0) and BYU (12-1). In terms of conference record, they are second behind Colorado (8-1) at 7-1. Texas is next (7-2), followed by OU (6-2). This worked out exactly how it should have, IMO. No way does a 2-loss team deserve to go over a 1-loss team just because they beat them. Oregon might have a fair gripe, but that's about it. I think people put too much emphasis on one game. If VA Tech had beaten Miami, would anyone be arguing that a 9-2 VATech should be going (ignoring strength of schedule issues)? Bottom line, Nebraska lost one game on the road to the #3 team in the nation. Colorado lost two games, on the road against #9 in the nation, and at home against an unranked team. No way is Colorado's performance OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON better than Nebraska's. <B>Never heard that joke before.</B> Well, now you have!
If Nebraska is better than Colorado, they sure have a funny way of showing it. Nebraska playing in the Rose Bowl would be the ultimate example of backing in to the championship, it essentially rewards them for getting the **** kicked out of them and not having to play in a conference championship. They don't deserve it, they haven't shown me they have anway. I just want a ****ing playoff, this BCS stuff is nonsense, always has been, always will be, its just too fatally flawed to produce anything resembling a true national champion.
As a fan of college football, I can't wait to see a Miami vs Colorado matchup. Colorado is arguably playing better football than anyone else in the country right now. They destroyed a #1 Team, then the next week beat a 3rd rank team. Maybe im ludicrous, but if you just kick the crap out what the "experts" considered "the best", you should be considered a top team. I understand the arguement on why Nebraska deserves to go. It somewhat sucks for them to have one REALLY OFF game, the very last game of the year, and miss out on playing in the Championship game. But to get beaten up on that badly is non forgiveable.
I'm confused. I thought the BCS standings decided who plays for the title, not the coaches' poll. Are the two related? Cat, you have to be kidding me. Everyone on this board knows that if Texas had the one loss Nebraska did, you would be singing a completely different tune. I think Nebraska deserves it. In terms of seeding, it doesn't matter how you play at the end of the year, it's how you played the entire year (the Rockets would've made the playoffs last year if the last month of the year was all that mattered). In absence of a playoff, you have to go with who had the best season, and that is Nebraska.
<B>I'm confused. I thought the BCS standings decided who plays for the title, not the coaches' poll. Are the two related? </B> The coaches' poll is one of many components in the BCS formula. The thinking yesterday was that if the coaches moved Colorado ahead of Nebraska, it would be enough to push Colorado into the Rose Bowl over Nebraska. As it turned out, NU edged CU by 0.05 points (7.23 to 7.28).
Cat, you have to be kidding me. Everyone on this board knows that if Texas had the one loss Nebraska did, you would be singing a completely different tune. If you can provide me with any evidence to back that up, I'd love to hear it. While I like my teams, there is no way to justify any team playing for a national championship that gave up 62 points in their final game and couldn't even win their own conference. If I've ever said anything that would seem to contradict that, please let me know. I think Nebraska deserves it. In terms of seeding, it doesn't matter how you play at the end of the year, it's how you played the entire year (the Rockets would've made the playoffs last year if the last month of the year was all that mattered). In absence of a playoff, you have to go with who had the best season, and that is Nebraska. So Nebraska played better for the entire year than Oregon? They both had the same record, and similarly tough schedules. The difference? Oregon barely lost to a good Stanford team early in the season. Nebraska was crushed by a good Colorado team in their last game of the season. How did they have a better season than Oregon?
I just can't wait for Nebraska to squeak by Miami and CU to demolish Oregon so we have co-national champions (you know that's how the AP will vote). I already know guys who are planning on making shirts that have both team's helmets that say "Co-National Champions 2001" at the top with a big red "62-36" in the middle.
The funny thing is if Nebraska beats Miami they'll have beaten the consensus #1 and if Miami beats Nebraska then they're still #1. Either way who's going to deny one of those teams their due for winning the game? Also Nugs4, the polls are required to vote the winner of this game the #1 team in the nation so I don't believe a co-championship is possible.
I believe Nebraska had a higher strength of schedule rating than Oregon, did they not? The point is I don't think Colorado deserves it. Oregon deserves it more than CU.
But the possibility of co-champions still exist . The coaches poll automatically gives the #1 ranking to the winner of the BCS championship game, but the AP poll has no such agreement. Look back at last year, why do you think that Butch Davis was at the Orange Bowl rooting on FSU? He knew that if FSU beat Oklahoma, then Miami would get the #1 ranking by the AP poll or the writers while FSU was the #1 team in the coaches poll. However, it didn't happen because OU won. So, essentially, you have this very complex system that has all these factors to decide the national champion and only one of the two major polls use it....confused? Welcome to the crazy, wacky world of college football. So, it is possible that if Nebraska beats Miami and Colorado smashes Oregon that there could be split champions. However, just like last year, I don't think it is going to happen. Miami avenges the '95 Orange Bowl defeat and beats Nebraska in a close game 28-24.
To make this system even better, it turns out that TCU beating Southern Miss on Friday strengthened Nebraska's schedule enough to keep them on top (since NU had beaten TCU in the season opener). Had TCU lost this weekend, Colorado would be headed to the Rose Bowl right now. Gotta love the BCS.
Please Cat. If Texas had been 11-1 with a loss to CU in the Big12 title game, you would have been arguing for them to go the Rose Bowl.
Not if they had given up 62 points. If you have any evidence to prove that wrong, by all means let's hear it.
Nebraska is the 3rd best team in their conference, Oregon WON their conference with one of the toughest schedules in the country, they should be in the Rose Bowl. This is just a case of Nebraska being a bigger name and a more profitable name. THis is a joke. The bottomline is that Colorado was he better team, they beat Nebraska, won their division, then won the conference. Period. If Colorado shouldn't go, neither should Nebraska. Definitely there is no reason to believe they deserve it over Oregon, or Maryland, or Illinois. Nebraska's last game of the year they were BLOWN OUT! This is the 2nd best team in the country!? A team blown out, finished 3rd in their conference, and didn't even play in the conference championship game!? Oregon has big wins to, a tough schedule, didn't get blown out and won their conference and didn't falter at the end. They should be rewarded for that. It shouldn't be given to a team because they have a more "marketable" name. If this doesn't scream playoff system nothing does. And don't tell me a playoff system can't be done because every level of NCAA football, and football in general but this level has a playoff system.
<B>This is just a case of Nebraska being a bigger name and a more profitable name. THis is a joke. </B> That's just ridiculous. Where exactly does the BCS formula take into account name and/or profit potential? In case you didn't notice, it was the computer portions that helped Nebraska. The human part put Nebraska 4th. <B>Nebraska is the 3rd best team in their conference, </B> No, they are really not. <B>The bottomline is that Colorado was he better team</B> Why did this great team lose to an unranked Fresno State team at home? Do we conveniently just forget about losses that we don't like?
major, i usually respect your posts but this is blasphemy and you know it. Nebraska has no damn business being in the title game over oregon or colorado and you know it, esp colorado. We need a playoff plain and simple Nomar, Eric Crouch is not the best college football player of all time, by far, somehow your insulting the likes of ricky williams, eric dickerson, tony dorsett, joe montana etc. And nebraska is not that good, i dont care if they only have one loss, they got blown out last game of the yr vs their rival in CU and are playing for a title, even though they arent conf champs, thats bull**** PS Crouch shouldnt have won the heisman, mckinnie or roy williams of oklahoma was more desrving, even grossman
I think Colorado is playing the best ball in the nation right now but the Fresno State lose really hurt them. My solutions to all of this BS would be to create a new bowl (or use a current one) so that you have the BS Poll decide 1-4 and then 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3 and then you have a championship game between the two winners this way it would be Miami vs. Oregon and Colorado vs. Nebraska. Now would that not be great to have. Then a team like CU or Oregon would have a shot at the national championship. That would also eliminate a lot of the problems because the tops 4 teams would have a chance at the championship and people really couldnt argue that a #5 team should have been the winner
I assume those who keep saying that Nebraska is "the third best team in their conference" are putting Texas ahead of them. Texas has done nothing to show that they are better than Nebraska. Texas puts up 3 points against OU, while Nebraska (who by the way supposedly does not have the much bally-hooed high-powered offense Texas does) beat OU with little doubt. Face it, this 3rd-best in the conference thing is crap. Also, winning the conference (as Oregon did) shouldn't always carry extra weight. BYU won their conference, should they get to play Miami? Of course Oregon had a tougher schedule than BYU, but not tougher than Nebraska. Nebraska is the best choice to play Miami, they had the best season.
<B>i usually respect your posts but this is blasphemy and you know it. Nebraska has no damn business being in the title game over oregon or colorado and you know it, esp colorado. We need a playoff plain and simple </B> I agree that Oregon has an argument. As do Illinois and Maryland. As does Nebraska. However, Colorado DOES NOT. If they wanted to be in the mix for the National Title, they should not have lost two games, period. I said this about last year too. Miami had an argument, as did Florida State, Washington, etc. However, all of them had control of their own destiny had they not lost a game -- Oklahoma was the only team that absolutely deserved to be there. My belief, this year, is that NO ONE <B>deserves</B> it (outside of Miami). The only way you deserve it if you win out in a top-6 conference -- if you do that and don't get picked, you have a legitimate complaint. After that, nobody outright deserves a chance, because there's no "ideal" way to compare a bunch of 1-loss teams. The computer formulas and the polls show that by all picking different teams. Lose a game and you lose control of your own destiny. Lose two games and you're out. I have no problem with either of those. I also would have had no problem with the BCS spitting out Oregon, Nebraska, Maryland, or Illinois for the Rose Bowl. However, Colorado does not deserve it because College Football is a season-long sport -- you can't just ignore the first half of the season. Is Colorado the best football team right now? Maybe. (definitely, on the offensive side) Have they been all season long? Hell no. National championship games are rewards for season-long excellence, not two-week excellence. Remember, Colorado got stomped earlier in the season by Texas, lost to Fresno State, and squeaked by Kansas, OkieState, and others. As for a playoff, of course I agree on that. However, until we get one, this is the best system we've got.
