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BCS schools won't schedule Boise St. in 2011

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by thelasik, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. SirCharlesFan

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    What will Congress do? Force the teams to make a playoff system? I'd like to see that one. Create a new BCS formula? Force the voters to rank Boise and TCU higher so they can play in the national championship game?
     
  2. Major

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    I'm talking about the argument that they couldn't hang with other teams if they had to play them week-in and week-out. It can't be shown, but the evidence we do have when they play those teams is that they do well. But people just dismiss the evidence to fit their preconceived notions.

    In that respect, the computers aren't circular. They say that Boise State would absolutely hang with all those other teams and beat the vast majority of them. They say that Boise State wouldn't be a 0.500 team in the B12 or other similar conferences. The computers suggest that Boise is better than anyone from the ACC or BigEast or ConfUSA, and better than anyone except Texas in the B12, etc.
     
  3. Major

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    A couple of things have been talked about - mostly based on the issue of the NCAA having anti-trust exemptions and the like, while not providing fair opportunity for a number of public universities. If there weren't money involved, it wouldn't be an issue, but there is, so Congress can act.

    The two proposals I've heard are:

    1. NCAA organizes a playoff or anti-trust exemption is revoked.
    2. Don't allow the BCS to use the terms "National Title" or "National Championship" since fair opportunity is not provided to all the schools, which really screws up their marketing and the whole purpose of the BCS.
     
  4. SirCharlesFan

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    I'm not an expert, but, regarding #1, what about the fact that the NCAA has nothing to do with the BCS?
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    Orly?
     
  6. SirCharlesFan

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    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/n...r+the+Record/20090113+NCAA-BCS+For+the+Record

    Oh, really.
     
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    I don't think anyone is under the impression that the NCAA determines, or influences, who plays in the BCS games.

    To say that the BCS, which awards millions upon millions of dollars, and severely influences the fate, fortunes, and futures of a hundred football programs of state colleges, doesn't have anything to do with the NCAA.. which governs them.. smells kinda.. off.
     
  8. SirCharlesFan

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    You're right, it's only an authoritative statement from the NCAA that the BCS has been organized "INDEPENDENTLY OF THE NCAA." Or that the NCAA HAS NO AUTHORITATIVE CONTROL OVER THE BCS. OR THAT ALL ELEVEN FBS CONFERENCES HAVE AGREED TO THE CURRENT BCS SYSTEM. Or the fact that the NCAA does not recognize the BCS Champion as a national champion...I mean, you're obviously right, contrary to facts, because you don't believe it to be...
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    Yes, I know they're independent.

    But that doesn't change the fact that this private entity affects public institutions.

    My god you are defensive. Just chill for one second when talking to me, ok? Is that so hard?
     
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    You were being a little patronizing yourself there chief.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    Using an internet meme to ask a question is patronizing?

    Sorry, I guess.

    I took objection with the "has nothing to do with" statement... because despite the way the BCS is formed, I do believe that things are a lot more grey than SCF is willing to admit in terms of scope of impact.
     
  12. Brando2101

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    This question doesn't seem very chill.
     
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    Maybe I should have asked it in all caps or something. That'd be chill.

    Either way. I fail to see how any of this makes the BCS 1) any less lame and 2) any less a target for Congress
     
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    The important thing is that you're sorry, and you apologized and now you can go and play Nintendo, but you need to have your homework finished by bedtime.
     
  15. SirCharlesFan

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    The funny thing is that if you sue the institutions that make up the BCS for anti-trust violations, you're going to be suing the Utahs, Houstons, TCUs, and Boise States.
     
  16. Major

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    Doesn't matter. NCAA athletes at NCAA schools are competing in the games, so the NCAA has control. They didn't control the bowl system either, but they determine bowl eligibility and a number of other related things. They can govern whether students are eligible to play in the games, they can take away bowl wins, they track the stats from bowl games, etc.
     
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    I think they'd be willing to fall on that sword.
     
  18. Lil Pun

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    You're the one who brought it up like they can just join any conference of their choosing.
     
  19. Lil Pun

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    I'm not faulting them you just brought up Arkansas like they are some kind of good this year. I'm sure UT predicted that the likes of Arkansas State, North Texas, Florida Atlantic, etc. would be quality foes though.
     
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    http://playoffpac.com/blog/Read.aspx?ID=82
     

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