This is pretty ironic. Someone says criticism of Israel is based in anti-semitism and a lot of people respond how silly that is - 'it isn't anti-semitism just because it is criticism of Israel.' Then those same people turn around and decry any criticism of Muslims as Islamaphobia, lol. Surpisingly this comes from many of the same people who continuously try to point out so-called 'double standards,' lol.
LOL! Eh, touch a nerve Hayes? I am not talking about 'criticism' of Muslims or 'criticism' of Jews or Israeli policies, I am talking about actual race-motivated acts and hate-mongering by individuals in Europe and the United States. Criticizing policies of any given country does not equate to 'anti-Semitism' or 'Islamophobia'. However, calling Muslims a 'threat' to a society or advocating 'race-based' policies to single out a group of people over the rest does qualify. I am glad you presumed to know what I was referring to. As usual, a swing and a mess, Hayes.
The comments that have been made on this forum by two posters are Islamophobic - that the evil actions done by some Muslims is due to an inherent evil in Muslims in general. That's Islamophobia. It's not a criticism of any policy. Contrasted with the foolishness in equating criticism of Zionist policy with anti-Semitism, your analogy is baseless.
People.. have you read anything i wrote in this thread? Question one have you been in Europe, or do you live there? how many times and how long did you stay there? If you do not live there don't you think a European might be in a better situation to judge that? If you do life there i would love to hear why you feel that in your environment there are a lot of Anti-semitists. In the past there was a huge problem with anti-semitism, but that is not a current problem, like i said a thousend times before, the biggest problem with racism in Europe is the fear for Muslims. If you visited Europe in the last 3 years you would now this. The fact that some european countries have comments on how Israel is handling the situation does not make them Anti-semitical. Why do i even bother? some people like there fantasy world, and enjoy saying the world is against me and my country, and my allies. So just forget i wrote anything and enjoy your fantasy world
As usual? Please. I'm right way more than I'm wrong, my friend. Ironically, I guess I touched a nerve since I didn't indict you specifically. Your post sparked the thought from which my general statement came. I think you've either responded too quickly or are being disingenuous. I prefer to think its the former. I don't think you can seriously contend that you haven't seen people respond to concerns about Muslim violence with 'oh yeah let's kill more Muslims,' or 'oh sure you just want to start another war to kill more Muslims,' or statements that explicity enunciate how a particular concern is no more than Islamaphobia. Stating that there is a threat from Muslims is not Islamaphobic anymore than saying Taiwan is threatened by Chinese.
Afraid not, cabbage. Everytime someone relates a threat or action to Muslims they are accused of 'islamaphobia' in exactly the same manner as critics of Israel are accused of anti-semitism. The exact same mechanism is used to deflect criticism in both cases. If you'd take an honest look at the rhetoric used in the forum you'd recognize that. I think its slightly amusing (if not tragic) that people such as yourself can so easily see the ruse involved in labeling someone as anti-semitic but cannot see the exact same logic being applied to critics of Islam/Muslims.
Lol. Yes, I'm just laughing at you wnes. There isn't much sense arguing with someone as dense as you.
Yeah, there is NO problem with anti-semitism in Europe. Europe is sick again. The memory of 6 million murdered Jews, it seems, is no longer inoculation against the virus of antisemitism. It has taken hold, on the supposedly liberal left as well as the xenophobic right, all too long unchecked by feeble political leadership with one eye on the vengeful sentiments of millions of anti-Zionist immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East. The historic antisemitism denying individual Jews the right to live as equal members of society has horribly coalesced with a new version of antisemitism that denies the collective expression of the Jewish people, namely Israel, to live as an equal member of the family of nations. From Kiev in the East to Bilbao and Barcelona in Spain, and Rome in the South, from Marseilles to Paris to Berlin in the West, the poison is at work. Somehow antisemitism in Europe has outdone every other ideology and prejudice in its power and durability. Fascism came and went; Communism came and went; anti-semitism came and stayed. And now it has been revitalized. http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Articles/Zuckerman-2002-10-07.asp Very often, at least in France, the victims of Islamic anti-Jewish violence are the obviously observant: Orthodox Jews, their schools, synagogues and private property, while the anti-Semitism of the extreme right focused on secular Jews, who were accused of undermining the ethnic and religious identity of their country. In any case, religious or secular, Jews are attacked because of their alleged unconditional support for the policies of the state of Israel in the Palestinian territories. Criticism of the Israeli government's policies is fully legitimate. But this is not what anti-Zionism means. It means refusing the Jews the right to have a state and as such, it is perceived with due justification by the Jews, today, as a far more preoccupying phenomenon than the traditional bigotry of the far-right lunatic fringe. Almost 100% of the Jews think there should be no compromise over Israel's right to exist as a state, even among those who, like me, support the existence of a Palestinian State. The anti-Zionist prejudice of the anti-globalisation movement will probably hasten the process which, for at least a decade, has made the European Jews break their long-time allegiance to the left and support the neo-conservative political agenda because of its support of Israel. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3234264.stm#Jean-Yves The Potzlow case is significant in several respects, not the least of which is that it will likely be entirely unknown to my readers. It has of late become common for “liberal” commentators to charge that reports of European anti-Semitism are greatly exaggerated, part of yet another “vast right-wing conspiracy” fostered by powerful media moguls (read Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black) and designed to delegitimize European support of the Palestinian cause and “deflect” European criticisms of Israel. In fact, however, coverage in the English-language media as a whole, especially indeed the American media, has tended, if anything, to understate the true dimensions of the phenomenon. http://www.policyreview.org/oct03/rosenthal.html "The reality in the first four years of the new millennium, however, turned out to be much more complex. Anti-Semitism, under the mask of anti-Zionism and in its own right, resurfaced with a vengeance in a supranational, multicultural, pluralistic, antiracist Europe. There is a general consensus among researchers that not since 1945 has there been such a level of concern, anxiety, even depression among Europe's Jews and communities as we witness today. The dream-Europe of the new millennium is already beginning to look like a fading mirage. http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-25.htm At the University of Geneva, a Jewish researcher wearing a small Star of David necklace was attacked in a campus elevator by Arab students. When she reported the attack, she was told not to wear the necklace in public. In Hasselt, Belgium, Muslim fans at a soccer match between the Israeli and Belgian national teams waved Hamas and Hezbollah banners, and enchanted: "Jews to the gas chambers!" and "Strangle the Jews!" In Germany, scores of Jewish graves and Holocaust memorials have been defaced. At the cemetery in Beeskow, for example, "Heil Hitler" and "Crap on the six million lie" were painted on gravestones. At Langenstein-Zwieberge, a sub-camp of the notorious Buchenwald concentration camp, vandals plastered the walls with copies of anti-Semitic Third Reich newspapers. According to a poll conducted by the European Union last fall, 59 percent of EU citizens identify Israel as the world's greatest threat to peace -- ahead of Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. In December, millions of Europeans with satellite TV reception were able to watch "Al-Shatat," a Syrian film that portrayed Jews as blood-drinking monsters who conspire to rule the world. In a leading Greek newspaper, a journalist wrote that the Jews "have vindicated the persecutions of the Nazis. . . . They deserved such an executioner [as Hitler] since they proved to be murderers themselves." At a televised reception to mark the publication of his memoirs, Mikis Theodorakis, the composer of "Zorba the Greek," denounced Jews. "These little people are the root of evil," he told an audience that included two Cabinet members -- neither of whom reacted to his anti-Semitic outburst. The hatred has been most palpable in France. There have been so many attacks on Jews in recent months that the chief rabbi has urged religious boys and men to wear baseball caps instead of yarmulkes outside their homes. In November, a newly built wing of the Merkaz Hatorah school outside Paris was gutted by arson. Last week, in a newspaper column headlined "Jewish children are in danger," six French scientists described recent episodes of anti-Semitic violence in Parisian schools. In one of them, a girl was thrown to the ground and beaten by 20 students, who were yelling, "Dirty Jew! Dirty Jew!" http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed.../03/14/the_cancer_of_anti_semitism_in_europe/ One of the first steps in Adolf Hitler's anti-Semitic drive in the creation of his Third Reich was instituting a ban on the kosher slaughter of animals. Today, as a new wave of ugly, and sometimes violent, anti-Semitism sweeps through the European continent, at least five countries have banned kosher food production, and one of them is considering halting all import of kosher meat. The latest nation to join the movement is Holland, where the move was guised in concern for cruelty to animals. "They simply don't want foreigners and they don't want Jews," said Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway, another European nation that bans kosher meat production. "I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter. I also know that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29841 Attacks against Jews in Europe have sharply increased, says a report by a European anti-racism watchdog. The study singles out Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Britain, where it says the rise in anti-Semitism has been of particular concern. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3586543.stm
arno, I'm not living in a "fantasy world." Anti-Jewish sentiments are alive and well throughout the world, including the US. 2 months ago, I was leaving a bar that I would frequently go to on the weekends. To preface this.. I rarely talk religion there, but I know pretty much all the regulars and we might have discussed our backgrounds a handful of times. I'm not an orthodox jew, I don't keep kosher, and I'm not even all that religious so I tend to blend in. I never had any arguments there and would go there for beers and free-poker tournanments. As I'm leaving the bar, I hear someone call out "there's the jew" in the parking lot. I just ignored them and my friend drove me to my car. I had to come back to the bar to check up on another friend that was very intoxicated. As I get out of my car and walk towards my friend I hear "there's thing F'in kike." I did have a few drinks in me and this made me pretty pissed off. I yelled out "who called me a kike?" since I knew the majority of the people there and wanted to know who the hell was saying this. An arab guy was yelling this from far away. One of his friends, who was hispanic, comes up to me and says to my face "Hitler should have killed all of you." Then the arab guy comes up and motions to me to start fighting. More words were spewed out and I insisted that he stopped insulting me. I don't deal with ignorance. As much as I wanted to throw down, I got in my car and drove away. I have 5 years of fight experience and I'm in very good shape. These guys were no physical specimens and they weren't worth my time. I still haven't gotten over what happened. I want to hurt them in a bad way. I don't really talk religion unless I trust everyone around me. Anti-Jewishness is alive and well everywhere and continues to spread from generation to generation.. don't dare tell me I'm making it up.
Fair enough and thanks for answering my query. However, the evidence provided in this thread is pretty overwhelming that they did.
I'm not sure about that - that there were conversations between the UN and Israeli command about that particular station certainly cuts against Israel, but at the same time it is just a fact that stuff like this happens during combat. Especially when you having damning evidence that Hezbollah purposely tries to launch their attacks and take shelter near the UN outposts for this exact reason. I am just not sure either way.
