hezbollah is directly a result of the israeli invasion of lebanon. without that. hezbollah wouldn't exist. last time israel was invaded by israel this happened. when iraq was invaded by the US the current 'terrorism' occured. what in gods name makes israel think if they even do a limited incursion into lebanon similar problems wont pop up in the future?
Israel had a need to exist. They had been persecuted all over the world, and just had a massive genocide attempted against them when their state was created. Israel has done numerous good things for people all over the world. It was was a home for those who were being oppressed and discriminated against in Eastern Europe, they helped airlift Jewish refugees from Ethopia during famine and turmoil there. They provide a fairly stable place to work and exist for most of its citizens. Many of these people are those who face discrimination and undo hardship elsewhere. However, I agree that none of that excuses their occupation and worse than Apartheid like conditions that Israel imposes on the Palestinians. It doesn't excuse their recent attacks on Lebanon. Like I said long ago. There are no good guys in this conflict.
God forbid jews defend themselves from total annihilation. Last time the world did nothing and some things never change.
The Israelis are the good guys. They live in an environment where all their neighbors want to obliterate them and where the rest of the world, save the US and the UK, would love to see that happen. It's quite understandable that they would be trigger-happy with almost the entire world wanting to get rid of them.
Funny we are having a discusion about the war in Israel, and suddenly i'm an Anti-semite(Sp). The fact that i do not aprove of what Israel is doing does not mean i hate Jews, or Muslims, or christian, or whatever religion there is. Criticism on Israel does not mean that somebody hate Jews
We defenitly agree on this last sentence. Ok i'm not saying Israel has only done bad things. And maybe there was a need for a jewish state. However that doesn't mean that they are allowed to destroy countries around them, and killing a lot of people. If they are peacefull(or atleast try) i would be very happy. And i would love a jewish state. But i think we agree on most things.
That's sounds anti-semitic to me. If you had said that you weren't happy with the Olmert government, it would not have been anti-semitic. Regardless of your anti-semtism or lack thereof, anti-semitism is still rampant in Europe and it affects a lot of the press coverage of Israel in Europe.
I was wrestling between that and pure accident last night. My wife suggested that it was an F.U. to the UN for leaning against the Israelis the past couple of decades, but Israel's not that dumb, IMHO. If they cross the line that they've tip-toed for years, the US will eventually have to abstain on an anti-Israeli resolution instead of veto. This morning I read that the UN bunker had been in constant contact with the Israeli forces, warning them that the fire had been dangerously close for hours. Rules out the accident theory for the most part. Then I ran across a blurb that suggested that it was an "intentional accident" brought about by suspicions that the Chinese UN observer was acting as a spy. That does pass the sniff test, and would go a long way to help make sense of this. The US did a similar manuever during the Serbian conflict in the late 1990s, taking out Chinese "diplomats" and claiming it was an accident. I don't think we have good or bad guys anymore at this point. And while I realize that may offend some, I would eneter that none of us living here can fully comprehend what life is like for either side in the Middle East. If part of our country was annexed and given to a foreign entity, I guarantee you a contigent of our population would be just as vicious. I would agree with those saying there is a difference in being anti-Israeli/Zionist (political) and anti-Semitic (racial). As a comparision, I've a dim view of Kim's regime in N Korea and might say things along the lines that N Korea is a major threat that needs to be neutralized, but that doesn't mean I'm anti-Korean in a racial sense (ask the best man at my wedding).
I almost expect you to say "it's quite understandable that PLO is trigger happy with them being oppressed as long as they have." But having read many posts in this forum, I know that's just you being you.
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ME is a mess becaus it was meant to be a mess. It started out as British Palestinian Mandate. Isreal is an unnatural state. It's an easy solution for rich European countries and winner of WW2, that including the US, of the Jewish population problem. So in stead of facing up their own Jewish population problems, solving them domestically, they exported the problem to the ME. A Jewish state was created on British Palestinian Mandate, where population is dominantly Arabs. Before coming in form of state, Jewish groups in Isreal had been engaged in now so called "terrorist activities" too, such as the King David Hotel incident. So they fight. And fight on.
The Israelis are not the good guys. They have created a state that is equal to if not worse than Apartheid for the Palestinians. They have not lived up to peace agreements they have made, they continue to have illegal settlements and expand more settlements. They have killed far more civilians than either the Palestinians or Hezbollah. They have needlessly killed civilians, targeted civillian targets, etc. They have started or lured others into wars so they could carry out their expansionist goals. The fact that their neighbors don't like them isn't a reason why they are the good guys. To claim the rest of the world would love to see them obliterated is baseless. Likewise Hezbollah are not the good guys. They have captured and killed Israeli soldiers in the past, bombed hapazzardly and targeted civlians, and are a terrorist organization. There are no good guys in this conflict.
They are the good guys because they are basically just, and they are far more just than their enemies.
Having one set of laws for people of another nationality that keep them oppressed and illegally occupying their land isn't basically just. Killing civilians(mostly by accident, though many are avoidable even if they are accidents) isn't just. You have a perverted sense of justice if you like illegal, expansionist land grabs, and apartheid like laws.
a. I didn't come up with the theory b. I didn't pass it off as a certain fact c. You twisted what I wrote: Israel suspected the Chinese observer as also being a spy for China, something that has very certainly happened before, whether you are personally aware of it or not.
