Uhh....yeah...it helps to have more than one guard on the court. That's why Rick goes to the Brooks/Lowry lineup so much.
Failure to think objectively??? I think my disagreement with you on this Shane for Camby proposal is the single GREATEST example of my ability to think (at least somewhat) objectively regarding Shane Battier. My entire point is that Shane (my favorite player by far) would NOT BE WORTH IT to the Clippers. I am admitting that Shane is not as valuable as I (and/or Daryl Morey and/or Rick Adelman and/or Les Alexander) might otherwise think. And to your point about the Clippers simply NOT TRYING to go after a major free agent, that is ridiculous. Sure, they may end up striking out, but they will most definitely make an attempt. Donald Sterling is a spotlight hog and would love the attention he would get by being in the middle of the hunt for the superstar free agents of 2010. Also, if he were able to sign anyone of significance, it would likely cause a spike in season ticket sales, which is what Donald REALLY cares about. Even if they end up with a second-tier guy, the sales will go up a lot more than if they trade for Shane Battier during the season. (And, by the way, back in 2004, Kobe was VERY close to signing a max deal with the Clippers.)
Maybe i'm wrong, but the clippers have always had cap space and never gotten anyone in their history to come play for them. We had this discussion before that a run at lebron would turn the hoopsworld upside down with kobe and lebron being in La. I personally don't think it will happen and kobe wasn't anywhere close to signing with the clippers. It sounded good, but he used the clipps as leverage. They had a chance and maybe it worked for the best, but after they secured Davis, they lowballed brand. That's typical clippers. I do agree with u that Shane isn't as valueable as some may think he is on this board. People like to say trade him to a contender, but the contenders don't have any good young cheap players just laying around if u ask me.
Boom Daddy Dada. Gotta get Chase's handle in there. Sadly Shane and Trevor are repetitive. Trevor is the better player. CBud needs to start. we have to face facts. Love Shane. Love him. But he's going to need to give minutes to Chase and maybe share a few minutes at the 4.
You are wrong about the Clippers. If you recall, Sterling (partially) shook his cheapskate label (at least when it came to player contracts) back when he shelled out big money to re-sign Elton Brand and Corey Maggette to big deals. Also, it was Brand who bolted on the Clippers, not the other way around. The Sixers came out of nowhere with an offer bigger than Brand had already tentatively agreed to with the Clips, and he left for Philly to take the bigger money. You are probably right about Kobe using the Clippers as leverage, but the fact is that, had the Lakers not stepped up their offer like they ended up doing, Kobe very well may have become a Clipper. I obviously think Shane is more valuable than you do, however. And Portland still makes the most sense of any team. They are a contender AND have lots of young talent. With Oden apparently getting better and better, a Battier for Fernandez/Przybilla trade is making more and more sense.
why do some people assume that we over value battier as a player? The value, more so, comes from his impact on the team. It's not always better to have the person who scores more points on the team, it sometimes boils down to how well a player fits on the team on and off the court. Every team needs leadership. Now I'm not saying I wouldn't trade battier, but not for something that only makes us better short term. I honestly Think battier has an effect on the organization for te long term. So does the team over value him? Maybe. Or maybe they value him just enough not to trade him for a minimal solution short term, bc a lot more can be lost for trading for the wrong player than by just keeping a veteran leader.
the crazy part is we aren't the ones playing shane 30 mins +. We aren't the ones saying shane isn't being shopped and is a big part of our core. As much as fans want to argue with one another about shane, the point they keep missing is Morey values him highly. That's all that matters at this point. I rather find out what Morey and Adelman are seeing than keep arguing. Or if people want to argue, then at least address morey's evaluation of shane mostly, not whether a fan likes him or not.
It's hard to separate out how much Morey truly values him, versus how much he's just publicly talking up his virtues to increase his trade value. It is interesting, though, that Battier is continuing to get 34 mpg despite shooting way under 40% from the field. To me, Budinger has looked really good, and I wouldn't be surprised if within the month he's playing the same minutes as Battier.
And i think that's the key stat, his mpg, that makes it more likely Morey truly values him that high than just talking him up. It would hurt Shane's trade value to play so much if Morey was mostly all talk.
But Morey isn't deciding what his MPG is. MPG isn't necessarily a good indicator of performance, particularly early on in a season. If Battier continues to play so inefficiently on offense, I'd be very surprised if he's still getting 30+ mpg a month from now.
Well morey and adelman...i haven't seen those two disagree on much...especially when it comes to battier...and shane kept playign 30+mins last year despite shooting poorly most of the first half of the season. I'm not sure that will change this year. As much as we're discussiong the offense lately, defense is actually our weakness so far. They may decide the offense can still be solid with shane like it's been so far for the most part.
http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2009-2010&id=245 So far Battriza has worked well, especially with Brooks in and Lowry out. According to this website, most lineups with Battriza and Brooks do well, and most lineups with Battriza and Lowry fail. Yeah, yeah, small sample size.
I could see that, because Brooks is the threat to score, whereas Lowry needs threats to score AROUND him. I still would like Budinger to get more run......until Trevor learns to dribble and Shane learns to cut. Which uh, may not ever happen. DD
I agree about portland as one. I might go for Outlaw and pryzbilla for shane,cook,and taylor. I like outlaw and his ability to hit the midrange shot. Pryzbilla gives the big man shot blocker/rebounder. Having outlaw,ariza,and budinger opens the door to trade tracy or just let him expire. I would like to stack the squad with 25 yr olds personally to surround yao with. I would see if I could get randolph from gsw using scola as bait. This team needs to turn over and the sooner, the better.
Shane needs to take some time to work on offense. It is still early in the season, but 34.6 FG% is terrible as an NBA player.
