That has got to be the dumbest post in the history of clutchfans. Go to a cavalier board. Just like I thought, you had no rebuttal of the "facts" that i presented in my post. All you brought was semantics of the word "potential." Weak. very weak. There's no place like the present. You should really wake up and smell the coffee. Yao's the better player RIGHT NOW and there's nothing you can say to dispute that.
Ah, there DavidS goes again putting words in people's mouths. Get used to it bro, he doesn't read too well. Like I said before and i'll say it again, Yao is the better player RIGHT NOW. To desperately try to prove a point that can't be proven (that Lebron will 100000% be better than Yao in the future because of "potential") is making you look very, very noobish.
Of couse you want "the present." Because that's all you can hold on to; you are narrow-minded about this team. And if you can remember, that wasn't my main point in my first post in which you said "bs" about. Go back and take a look! I was talking about team builing in preparation for Lebron in the future. Then, you go on this rant about how how Lebron wont be very good in the FUTURE (because of preconceived notions about American players). Now you say, "There's no place like the present" huh? And next year Lebron will get better and you will say what? "Oh, but Yao WAS better last year!" There you will go, still sticking to your guns about "last year." You live your own little "Yao world" and think all that matters is "the present" not the future of this team. Come talk to me next year. And year after that. Do you still think you'll be talking about "right now?"
No, I didn't say that you said he was a bust. You were implying that the media ("so-called pros") were not a good judgment of talent because of their prediction about Yao. Thus, you point out that some of them predicted that Yao would be a BUST, which turned out to be wrong. Thus, they MUST ME WRONG about Lebron? Right? It's not about "Yao being weak."
either i didn't make myself clear or you can't read. yes, i was implying the media CLOUD be wrong. nowhere did i say they must be wrong about lebron. and the issue i'm arguing with juugie is not whether Lebron will be a bust or great player. Juugie claimed Lebron is better now and will end up a better player in future than Yao, using some sports writer's opinions to back it up. it's his supporting argument that I think is weak. i didn't mean Yao's weak. i don't really know what you're arguing, david. actually, i didn't read your previous posts in this thread.
Yeah, they could be wrong. But how can you honestly not recognize the talent in Lebron after only 1 year in the NBA right from H.S.? I mean, how could most media writers be wrong about him being a great player one day with all the evidence right in front of YOU! Are you that stubborn to not see signs of that already? It's quite possible that he could be a bettter over-all player than Yao. And even if that's true, it doesn't mean that Yao can't win championships. With the right teammates he can.
1) how do you know Yao won't be a better player next year too? You dont. My point exactly. 2) I didn't say Lebron won't be good in the future. You did. 3) You're assuming i'll talk about "last year" "next year" LOL you're hilarious. 4) You're assuming i'm living in a "yao world" because you're boasting about a NON-ROCKET PLAYER ON A ROCKETS MESSAGEBOARD????? ROFLMAO!!!!! I stand by my original statement. You're an idiot. Ignored.
He can't read. I already established that after objective analysis from going back and forth with him for several posts. save yourself the time and effort and just ignore him. I did.
The difference is that I agree that Yao will get better next year. By, how much? That's unknown. As far next year for LeBron....it's very possible that Lebron will get better than Yao...but you wont even consider it a possibility. See the difference in our opinions? You're extreme and biased. I'm a realist. That's my point silly boy! You keep moving "next year" up a year....just so you can say, "There's nothing like the present!" How convenient... The "present" wont do you any good if Lebron is tearing up the league with 25/7/9! Now will it? Do you see your little paradox? Nah uh... you are a Yao fan more than a Rocket fan. Everyone knows that by now.
Wow, the ignore function works nice! and it's retroactive! Man, I thought the Lebron ass-kissing was bad during the all-star weekend but this thread sure takes the cake! HAHAHA!
Lebron makes you mad, doesn't he? Heh heh... You can deny it all you want... Wont matter...he's going to be a great player. silentfan -> &*!*@&#&!! <---mission accomplished!
Seriously what is wrong with you??? What are you arguing about? Jonhty was arguing against idiotic Juugie's post using the "expert knowledge" to prove that Lebron will be a great player, while those same "experts" predicted that Yao will be a bust. The issue is not wether LBJ will become a good player. But that Juugie is wrong by relying on media knowledge. Yes, they are so trustworthy, and they were totally right about you
We're really getting off the main point that Juugie was trying to say...All that matters is if there's enough evidence to back up ones claim (from all sources)...this will determine if it's probable, or not (regarding a players improvement, greatness, or whatever). After that, you use your own judgment. As far as the media "getting it wrong"....also note that a lot of the media's opinion about Yao were obscured by the lack of information regarding him. Not many writers knew much about him. Thus, there was a lot of speculation. Contrast that with LeBron. There was a lot of H.S. video coverage before he came into the NBA. Plenty of pre-NBA information. The only question was whether or not he was going to live up to the hype. I say, he has. So, that's why I didn't think it was "wrong" that Juugie used *some* media links to support his own position.
geez, stop putting words into my mouth. i didn't say Lebron wouldn't be a great player. in fact, i'm convinced that he will be. what i tried to say is it's debatable he's better now and will go down the history as a greater player than Yao. never did i deny the possibility that Lebron clould be a better over-all player than Yao. and what's up with you thinking that I can't accept Lebron turning out to be better? what I have problem with is Mr. juugie flat-out denying the possibility that Yao could be a better player than Lebron, which is ridiculous. I'm done with you, davids. I used to like reading your posts until the discussion about steve kerr's chinaman remark where nobody understood what you were arguing post after post. you did it again but it's no surprise to me any more.
I think that often times, the media have a problem with counting the eggs before the chicken hatches. I've been following the NBA for a long time and I've heard the same things said and written about players who've actualy played more than the 60 games that bron has played. Grant Hill, Penny, Shawn Kemp, etc. I don't wish any bad things on him or anything, but I aint gona cream in my pants for some young blood type just because hes flashing some skills, and the media tells me that I have to see him as the "Chosen One". Save that Matrix crap for the movies, and show me Bron making a difference on the defensive side (which I've yet to see, and I've watched about 20 or so of their games). When he makes the All Star team for 4 or 5 years in a row running and has the stats to prove it, then talk to me. In the meantime, just like Yao, Bron's nothing but a flash in the pan till he proves otherwise.
LOL dude I'm tell you man, he's definitely trolling. You can't hold a logical discussion with this guy because he will just keep putting words in your mouth and completely ignores your points and intentionally makes up stuff to stir up more controversy. Put him on the ignore list, it's the only way.
