Which proves nothing. I am almost positive that the Spurs would have won the championship also had they substituted Shane Battier for Stephen Jackson. Hell, they might have still won the championship with Luther Head as their starting SG.
Contrary to what you may believe, everyone who shares the same opinion do not get together and plan how to organize thier arguements. You clamor for a "rational debate" but seem to take it personal that most people here prefer Shane to Jackson. You're position is known, but still you make pointless jabs at Shane which serve no purpose other than to rile people up who like him. Furthermore you keep trying to attack his place on the team by bringing up statistics, which is just plain pointless.
It shouldn't even be a debate about who is the better player and has the bigger impact. No doubt its Jackson, but I don't think its productive to have jackson coming off the bench. His contract vs his production is about right, but it would make more sense to have a younger player with yrs vs a 31 yr old. If we were talking ellis and wright or randolph, that's a different story. If they offered ellis and kellenna, that would be worth entertaining also.
I think the rockets should trade Battier for a young talent. He is aging and easily be injured since last season.
Regarding the contract issue: Jackson as a player >>>>>>>> Battier as a player Battier's contract >>>> Jackson's contract I didn't think that really needed to be spelled out, but there you go.
His injury problems aren't big,this latest hamstring thing isn't likely to be a big deal either,however I do agree with you about the need to trade him if we can get a good young player.
LOL better add a couple more >s there: Jackson as player ??? Battier as a player Battier's contract >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jackson's contract The point is Jackson is not a player good enough to push a team like ours to the top. Why waste so much money for him when there are better and younger players who can be had for a better price? Even if we were dumb enough to trade what will Nelly do with Battier? You act like Jackson's contract is just a minor thing when it effectively kills any uselfulness he may have had as a player. Would I like to have Dalembert as a backup center? Yup, but would I like to have him as a player at his contract? Nope. That should also be the answer to S-Jack Why doyou have trouble understanding such a simple concept?
He was a pretty integral part of that team whether you want to believe it or not. Also, Jackson averaged 20 ppg, 7 apg, and 6 rpg. Only guy in the league to do that.
So what you're saying is shane can average 17ppg in the playoffs on a good team? They don't win that title without jackson. He hit some big shots and made some big plays and was the 2nd best spur during the playoffs.
You compare stats that is relevant to what you need. In this case, Rox trade for Steven Jackson for his offense. Hence PER is a good indication of his offense. I can't remember why the discussion to use PER started in the first place, but looking at ppg, apg is the way to go if you looking to what can Captain Jack brings for the rox. Contract wise, his contract size is about the same as Battier for this season and next. So it will not effect much on next year FA signing that everyone is so keen about. After that is pure speculation. Battier this year and next. $6,864,200 and $7,354,500 Stephan Jax. $7,650,000 and $8,450,000
Of course I'd prefer get better younger players at a better price, instead of Stephen Jackson. There are plenty of Battier trades I'd try to make before this one. I mean, I'd much rather trade Battier for Rudy Fernandez (especially if we could get them to throw in Bayless), but obviously Portland would be crazy to do that. If Golden State offered me Jackson for Battier, it's not like I would just instantly accept the offer. I'd only make the trade if I exhausted all the other, preferable options, like Portland (Fernandez), Washington (McGee, Young), etc. And you act like Battier is on a 1-year deal for the vet minimum. If Jackson is Dalembert, then Battier is Dan Gadzuric.
You're looking at it backwards. Jackson can produce with the ball in his hands, while Battier cannot. I thought this went without saying, but: PER as a measure of a player's overall performance >>>>>>>> Blocks as a measure of a player's overall performance That goes for guards, forwards, centers, everybody.
PER is not a good measure of overall performance for defensive specialists. John Hollinger himself has said this.
Well now how do you like the trade? I guess we just have to waite for the injured hammy of that old Battier to heal?
