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Battier for Stephen Jackson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kenwonobi, Sep 29, 2009.

  1. Raven

    Raven Member

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    1. The Rockets are not going to destroy their cap for an overpaid veteran.

    2. The Rockets will only consider a bloated long term contract if the player can be the cornerstone of a franchise team.

    3. I wish people would wrap their brain around 1 and 2 before suggesting these lame trade scenarios where we end up inheriting another team's problem.
     
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  2. Tom Bombadillo

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    He is not overpaid at all. He makes Battier money, and his production on the court is FANTASTIC at that value. You have ZERO idea on what could be going on in-house, of that organization right now. Maybe Stephen Jackson knows more about the situation than you or I?
     
  3. Tom Bombadillo

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    Yes, Thank You.
     
  4. showtang043

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    jackson is not a cancer, he is a bit reckless, btu he was able to fit in and win a championship and play with the spurs that won't take the cancers.....

    but, the only way I would do this trade is if they made it Stephen Jackson and Stephen Curry for Battier and brooks or lowry

    yes brooks is great, he can drop 20 and is fast, i sitll see him as a bobby jackson(old kings role) or boykins at his best...in terms of his role being energhy scorer off the bench, bc his size and defensive liability its hard to start him, but no doubt he is great, I think stephen curry has more athlethicism and size to the position adn can still drop points

    Curry-pg
    T-mac-sg
    sf-S Jackson
    pf-Scola
    -C- YAo

    you are surrounding yao with some attackers and shooters, could make for an interesting, fun team
     
  5. kenwonobi

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    It makes no sense whatsoever to back a Battier over Jackson if we could get him. I think too many times we stay too loyal and dont look at the obvious in front of us. We say we dont want a Jackson then he goes out and performs. We say we would rather have Tmac over Kobe years in the past and that sounds corny in hindsight too. We say like Rafer over Brooks then we finally get him starting and it was a moot point. I look at this from a wins and losses perspective and not a good guy VS bad guy perspective. Not a team homer perspective or ticket sales but wins. I think Jackson is the missing piece of the Rockets puzzle. Not this year. Next year when Yao comes back and we have all three of them and our depth with Ariza and Brooks also. Thats a team that could win a Championship.
     
  6. Old Man Rock

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    Battier has proven his ability to carry a team and make them better but I won't argue that point as you have your mind made up. But someone isn't a winner just because they happen to be on a winning team. Vujacic isn't a winner yet he won a championship.

    The real point is S jacksonis probably one of the top five biggest losers in the league IMO. Worse than Artest. He is proof your team can win even with a loser on it.
     
  7. kenwonobi

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    Its only 3 years at 7 million a year and he is 31. Not cap destroying but the same as Shane Battier for 1 more year. That is so far from the truth it isnt even funny. Yes I would love to inherit a 20 point 6 assist and 5 rebound problem. Love it. Every second of it. Battier is gonna be the same age as Jackson when we get rid of him and make the SAME money. Jackson makes. The SAME money for a guy who only defends on a team that cant score. When we have a guy behind him younger and can defend and then get a guy in Stephen who can do both scoring and defending.
     
  8. Tom Bombadillo

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    Yup, His great defense and high basketball IQ, combined with clutch shooting, just screams loser.

    His consistent passion and fire to win also show his loser attributes...
     
  9. saleem

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    He does jack it up,but he can handle the ball and control tempo despite committing turnovers,he is an underestimated defender. He was able to put a lot of pressure on Dirk with his length,he is a tough player who doesn't give up. He does lack some discipline,but he is not a cancer. His impact can be compared to that of Ron Artest's. He is not all empty stats.
    However,he is not someone who will have the patience to play on a team without Yao and McGrady,he can help a contending team.

    I don't hate Battier.He can help any team with his defense,offensively he has a fair amount of limitations,which are more likely to show up now that Yao is out,but he won't get frustrated on a team eg Houston. I'm not in favor of this proposed trade. However, I feel Battier and Luis should be traded for youth so we can rebuild from scratch. Yao and Tracy are not going to be able to lead us to victory.
     
  10. larsv8

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    Stephen Jackson $7,650,000 $8,453,250 $9,256,500 $10,059,750

    name me one 34 year old in the nba today you would pay 10 million for.
     
  11. Tom Bombadillo

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    Antawn Jamison
    Ray Allen
    Jason Kidd
    Tim Duncan
    Steve Nash
    Chauncey Billups
     
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  12. kenwonobi

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    I dont care if he is loser in real life. So is TO. So is Rodman. So are alot of players who have won Championships. All i want is a Championship team and only Stephen Jackson has proven he can actually lead a team past the first round while Battier is merely a role player. Landry is a role player. Tmac cant so far and Yao can barely play enough to do it again with breaking down. I have no idea how people come to conclusions that Battier and or Landry. Heck take them both if you can get Jackson. I have no idea how we get so attached to these specialists on our team who arent special but just specialists in one area of the game.
     
  13. larsv8

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    Tim Duncan yes, the others hell no. Stephen Jackson is no Tim Duncan.
     
  14. Raven

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    His contract is for four years, while Shane's contract is for two.

    Shane

    $6,864,200
    $7,354,500

    Jackson

    $7,650,000
    $8,450,000
    $9,260,000
    $10,060,000

    Pass!
     
  15. leebigez

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    Yu dont make that trade unless you have tracy off the roster also. Having tracy and Jackson is too much of the same plus jackson would probably have to come off the bench. Now if you gave me Azuibukke and turiaf, i would like that better for now and the future. Other than that, i cant really see that.
     
  16. Tom Bombadillo

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    Tim Duncan makes 22 million.


    Antawn Jamison
    Ray Allen
    Stephen Jackson
    Steve Nash
    Chauncey Billups


    Are easily worth 10 million. EASILY.


    I mean, seriously, less than half of what Timmy makes.
     
  17. W22_STREAK

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    thats because ther is nothing better to use to praise and try to represent shane as a player better than shane actually is...often when you try to praise a player you try to bring out their best quality...shane obviously isn't very good at scoring/rebounding/passing/ so we all have to use the generic term "winner".

    what has shane exactly won anyways??? :confused:
     
  18. leebigez

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    Ray Allen is making max money and he's nowhere close to that, but he is a good guy though. Jamison is pretty close to a max deal and he's the same.
     
  19. Tom Bombadillo

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    I am sorry that you really believe that.


    Any educated basketball fan that has seen Shane play, knows that Shane is a winner through and through.


    He is our identity, and I am sorry that you can't see it.
     

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