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Battier for Lewis

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ooliverb1, Jun 2, 2007.

  1. Vivid

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    We don't make the trade for Sarunas and package Sura and Battier...which would be about 10 million. That means we could offer Rashard 12.5 million, which is feasible. Hopefully we can sign Darko to the MLE,
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  2. JayZ750

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    I'm shocked this turned out to only be a rumor....

    ...um, what else could it have been?
     
  3. bbjai

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    EVEN if it was possible
    I wouldn't pull the trigger on a Lewis T-mac Yao lineup. What happens if one gets injured? one third of our cap down the drain straight away.
    check the Wizards this year for a case study of three close to max contrac tplayers
     
  4. NewYorker

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    I wouldn't say anyone knows for sure but yeah, I think we all would be pretty shocked if it did happen.
     
  5. JayZ750

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    If any major player on any team gets injured....season down the drain, whether you're the Wizards (doomed) or the Suns (still win a round or two, but no better).

    Unless I'm mistaken, the only way a sign and trade works is if you are roughly taking back the same amount of salary as you are sending off....so, our salary cap issues would be the same, in the short term, with our without Rashard. Since you aren't taking back the same contract lengths, then long term you may have some issues.

    Of course, with only 3 years left on his deal, Tracy would be tradeable in the next few seasons if you found the Yao/Tracy/T-Mac combo didn't work, and you'd still have a good core duo of Yao and Lewis.

    Oh, and anyone thinking that a Battier + filler for Lewis swap would be a step back talent wise, or chemistry wise, or whatever, for this team, needs to step away from the crack-pipe and stop posting in this thread.

    20+ppg, 5+rpg, 2+apg, 1+spg, 0.5+bpg while shooting above average. And all the more advanced statistics (PER, efficiency, roland rating) have him way up there, too.

    That deal would be a steal.
     
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  6. ccjj

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    I see a trend here...... Lewis, James and Sarunas....
    We are moving to more offence so those rumors may not be just rumors. I guess Morey is actually working on it but get it done or not, is another story. Even if there is only slim change of getting Lewis, why not give it a try?

    At least we know, Morey is working hard to improve our offence.
     
  7. KALIKULI

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    I definitely like the idea of bringing Lewis back to H-town but if you come and think of it, Battier was i think well suited for this team in his defensive intimidation, all he needs is just to shot that ball more often, besides he won't be an SEC player at Duke for nothing. Good thought but will cause Rockets to much money in the hole just to over haul. :(
     
  8. GATER

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    Why I'm not as pessimistic as Jonathan Feigen

    First, I really, really, REALLY doubt Rashard is going to get offered a year 1 salary of $12m. Why? Because anything starting at over ~$11.2m makes Rashard BYC. If he's BYC, you have to enlist the help of the Bobcats or Magic. This is a drop-dead unalterable fact for any contract starting over ~$11.2m.

    Secondly, Shane Battier (5.4m) + Bob Sura (3.8m) make ~$9.2m. The CBA allows Rashard's SnT contract to be 125% of $9.2m or up to $11.5m. IOW, the CBA allows Rashard to sign a non-BYC SnT contract for Battier + Sura starting at $11.2m.

    Third, a SnT contract can be for up to 6 years in length. If there is a team offering Lewis a $12m start (and they've somehow pulled in CHA to help with BYC) the total contract value for 5 years would be $72.6m. If the Rockets can only give Lewis the $11.2m start mentioned prior but are willing to go 6 years, the total contract value is $84.8m.

    In fact, if no team is willing to do the SnT for 6 years and the Rox will, you can start Rashard at $9.6m and it's slightly more than the $12m start for 5 years.

    Fourth, TMac has only 3 more years on his current contract. If the Rockets can get Lewis for the $9.6m start for 6 years mentioned above...they are only paying Lewis $31.8m over this 3 year time frame.
     
  9. bbjai

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    I really suppose it means are we going to sign T-mac again and how much for? If we are considering Lewis in a SnT
     
  10. GATER

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    :confused:

    What will he be worth in the summer of 2010? He'll be 31 years old and the Rockets have his Bird Rights so they can out bid any MLE offer. I'm no expert but I'd assume a 31 year old McGrady probably gets a 2 year deal starting at $6m. He's certainly not a max player then.
     
  11. bbjai

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    From a Cap point of view if we did sign Lewis under that type of deal

    What are we looking in terms of signing other players?

    Noone? I mean I assume if we want to keep Mcgrady at the end of his deal we are looking at a 6 million for him, how ever much for Yao and then Lewis as well. From a long term point of view is this wise or?
     
  12. saleem

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    Everyone knows Lewis for Battier is unrealistic,but what is Feigen talking about when he says that management have bigger plans than Sarunas J. for Sura?
    He also claims that the Rockets are upset about rumors involving Battier. If they are not looking to trade Yao,T-Mac or Battier than why did Morey allegedly say that they are looking to improve the team through trades?
     
  13. saleem

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    A very well thought idea. I think you are probably right.
     
  14. GATER

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    2010-11

    Yao = $17m
    Lewis = $12.6m (year 4 of a $72.7m deal)
    McGrady = $6m
    Total = $35.6m

    Cap likely to rise to +60m.

    No other Rockets or Mike James has a contract beyond 2009.

    Is it wise? If you think adding Lewis allows you to compete for the next 3 years with DAL, PHX and SA...IMHO heck yes it's wise.
     
  15. saleem

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    I agree he isn't a PF. I think he could be a very good 3 for the Rockets.T-Mac would have play as Point Forward/Shooting Guard for Lewis to fit on the team IMO.
     
  16. Icehouse

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    Hmm, if everything you have typed is true (concerning how we could make it work financially) then Feigen is an idiot for not doing his research. Writing about this kinda stuff is his job...ya know....
     
  17. hooroo

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    from the tone of his blog it seemed like he directly enquired about that seattle article and the rockets shot it down.
     
  18. saleem

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    I recall McDyess saying he wanted to play with Nick Van Exel instead of Matt Maloney.
     
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    If T-mac never gets much back problems these next three seasons. I suppose it works out
    Lewis at SF, T-mac at SG Yao at C
    Doesn't solve our gaping problems of PG and PF. But if you think of it this way. The amount of open looks lewis might get
    its ridiculous to think we need a PG other then Rafer
     

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