Battier: "Celtics, Lakers, Cavs aren't giving up leads"

I know his strengths, but everyone is responsible when things get bad. I'm not singling him out.

 

I took a look at the game flow and +/- for the last few games, it seems that Battier (along with Yao) has had one of the best +/- on the team recently, and is often off the floor when opponents make runs.

Leads are often given back when the Rockets play more of their bench guys. One big issue seems to be the lack of shot-blocking of any kind when Yao sits. Their numbers with Yao sitting this season has been way worse than those racked up in the last 2 seasons. I imagine the absence of Mutombo has a lot to do with it.

 

I'm sure he was hinting that the Rockets should start Francis at PG (he is still an All Star caliber player) and sign Mutombo and give him all the backup Center minutes (he can still be DPOY).

That is what Shane must be saying.

 

Like your post, it's empty rhetoric from Battier unless he follows up his words with actions - That's leadership. He hasn't played well this season so far. How much longer is inflammation from a surgery he had a while ago going to be used as an excuse for his poor play? Ron Artest is in a much better position to make these types of statements as oppossed to Battier.

 

Got any evidence to back up that statement?

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3516/gamelog

8, 3, and 2...I expect more if he's going to be making these kinds of statements.

Oh, I forgot you can only measure Battier's contributions in intangibles!

So I guess it's too much to ask him to be able to dribble a basketball effectively or do anything consistenly on offense besides running to the corner for a 3.

I guess maturity and being a good guy in the community are connected to winning basketball games somehow.

 

Battier on the court:

117 points scored per 100 possession, 100 points given up per 100 possession.

Battier off the court: 104 and 103.

Looks tangible to me. Rockets score more points and give up less with Battier.

 

Camby for Scola, Hayes and filler. I think we need to be a defensive monster with Camby/Artest/Battier. This would frustrate teams to try and find a way to put points on the board. Being able to consistently rely on defense to close out games is what makes teams successful.

 

Is that the only thing you got? +/- numbers? Everyone knows that those numbers are unreliable and are not an accurate way of measuring performance while actually watching the games is. Again, I give you 8 pts, 3 rebs, and 2 assists. We traded Rudy Gay for that.

 

Your obsession with boxscore stats is hilarious. Carl Herrera said everything that needed to be said and you're ignoring it. Those stats prove Battier is helping the team win. We are better offensively and defensively with him.

As we can clearly see here, on/off court stats >>> Kwame's "watching the games" analysis.

 

uh huh.

 

bejesus, Clutch threw his net in the water and drew this?

 

yeh

and we somehow got you on the board whos thrown out around 1000 posts of negativity and around 200 posts of dribble

 

So is it "obsession with boxscore stats" or watching the game? You contradict yourself in the same post. +/- numbers are a ridiculous way of looking at things.

The truth hurts.

 

On/off court aren't "boxscore stats" that you use. +/- are a great way at looking at things. It's only ridiculous to those that don't know how to use them. I can already see that +/- are over your head.

Even if you didn't look at the stats at all, you should've still came to the conclusion that Battier's value to us isn't just the 8pts 3rebs and 2asts. He's called a "glue player" for a reason. For example, seeing how Artest played since coming off the bench, or Yao/T-Mac since Battier returned, or our improved defense.

 

No, +/- numbers are misleading and are not accurate indicators of what actually happened.

Considering him a glue guy is a common myth about Battier, although I think people have realized that's he not a great one on one defender. He's a good team defender, but he's NOT a lockdown defender, which is what a glue guy is. He was never athletic to begin with, he's lost lateral quickness, and his body is on the decline as evidenced by the fact that it's taken him so long to get back on the court after his surgery.

All I was simply saying in my first post in this thread is that Battier hasn't played well thus far this season and needs to improve his play before he calls out the entire team. Again, Artest is in a much better position to do this than Shane.

 

Theres a reason why the Grizz were once a 50 win team. If the Rox want to continue to be successful, they need to keep starting Brooks.

 

I agree with some of the posters. Battier need to score at least 10 pts every game as starter. If he can't do that, his effort will be questioned.

 

Why would Artest be in a better position to call out the team. Aside from a couple of games, he has been much worse then advertised this year. His shooting has been poor, his shot selection has been awful, and his defense hasnt been phenomenal.

More importantly, I dont think Battier called anyone out. He said the Rox were not as good as the elite teams because they gave up leads. I think we all agree on that. He didnt single anyone out.

Lastly, if you are purely into the tangible box score, you might want to reconsider your sig. Deke averaged 3 points and 5 boards last year. Roughly the same as Chuck Hayes. Is this team in desperate need of 3 points and 5 boards a game, or could someone actually be of more value then what their stats say. Or does that only apply to Deke and not Shane.

 

Kobe might disagree with you on Battier not being a lock down defender.

So in YHO, if you aren't playing well; you can't say what needs to be done to improve as a team. It must be pretty quiet in the Thunder, Wolves and 76er's locker rooms.