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Batten down the hatches or tank & rally?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Dec 23, 2006.

  1. Astockmarketgod

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    I sya keep Tmac and Yao out... even after they are healed up... or 100%

    if the the assembled crew can play 500 ball and keep us in it... then I say we have a good chance in the playoffs... if not and thats what I think then we get a top 10 pick in the lottery...

    as far as im concerned this team is further away from a Championship then most of you think...

    i say were at least 3 years away... and thats if they make the right player trades and sighnings....
     
  2. Rox Addict

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    And just which fortune teller did you speak to about this. We have to face reality and that right now is that we have a very weak team with no Yao, a hurt T-Mac, and an out of shape Bozi. I say we make a trade for Artest or some one who can play the post or we tank it !! Thats just my two cents...
     
  3. DVauthrin

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    You weather the storm. That said, I'd also look at trading for another scorer from a team out of it looking to dump that player/get younger.

    However, if that can't get worked out, Bonzi Wells is capable of being a consistent 20 point per game guy once his legs are under him, and he's getting there. He needs to be option 1 until T-Mac can get back.

    Rafer Alston needs to drive to the basket and finish strong or kick out to Shane or Luther for open 3's. If he struggles at this, let Spanoulis be the creator and put head or alston as the 3 pt gunner. Give Novak more minutes in the drive/kick system.

    The key to this is playing sound defense, and making sure you execute on every offensive possession.

    In 6 weeks you figure the rockets have 15-20 games. You hope T-Mac can come back before 6 weeks, and Snyder can attack the basket and chip in points as well when he returns. Just keep the record at about 500 until Yao returns. Then you make your push.

    This years team is much better equipped to handle this scenario. Battier and Wells are infinitely better options than what they had last year. And those options: ie head/howard/alston, are still on the roster.
     
  4. madmonkey37

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    If tmac comes back on tuesday,which updates shows the he probably will,and if he stays healthy) this team is capable of achieving around .500 ball until yao comes back.
     
  5. Rox Addict

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    Thank you finally someone who will face reality and let go of the false hope that evrything is going to be okay !! I know my posts lately have been negative but I was all " we can still do this " all last year and the reality of it is that we lost Two Superstars and Snyder who was actually playing pretty good for us. I'm not going that route this year.....We do not have the team to even make the playoffs bottom line....
     
  6. Rox Addict

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    I agree with everything you have posted except have you seen Novak play defense ? The times he has come in they have eaten him for lunch..I say we go after Artest because he is not happy in Sac and hes cheap and can score...
     
  7. Rox Addict

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    Did Yao ever get hurt in China during his career ? I mean two years in a row and he has had two broken bones here in the NBA....
     
  8. Rox Addict

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    Front office won't make any trades !! Weber or Artest would be good rentals but I don't see it happening !!
     
  9. DVauthrin

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    JVG can take one defensive liability and hide him and still play good team defense. He is a defensive guru, especially with zone D in the NBA. Novak has a great stroke, and the offense that they must run will depend on kickout shots from the arc. He needs minutes in that offense, defense be damned. I'm not saying start him, but give the guy 10-15 minutes when you aren't running things through bonzi. All it takes is him hitting a couple threes and he does his job.

    If your star SG says this guy is the best shooter he has ever seen, and your offense is now going to mainly be drive/dish, he has to see minutes.
     
  10. brantonli24

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    After initially voting for 'Tank the season' (I was in a state of shock when I voted), I'm now thinking on the lines 'Try to float until T-Mac and Yao comes back). This team has more potential and talent than last year, especially on the offensive end. I remember one website saying that West would never have traded Battier if he knew Gasol was going to go down, and from last games, Battier can be an offensive weapon, and we all know what Bonzi wells can do, espcially to the Spurs, now we need to apply that to other opponents as well. Luther Head has shown he can stroke it from the three point line, and Id like to think him as our bomber rather than Novak. Offensively, Battier, Wells, Head, Lucas, Novak are in no way challenged, and V-Span should be able to provide some points off the bench. Defensively, JVG managed to hold opponents near the 90 point mark last year with a bunch of scrubs, and I don't see why he can't do that this year. Optimisim rules!
     
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    Disagree. We have enough glue already, unless you want to trade Shane for a PF. Then you can relegate T-Mc to the glue factory. If not (and I certainly wouldn't propose that trade), T-Mc needs to be our principal scorer.

    Our team is .... our team. Even if we add Haryasz or Schenser, as hooroo suggested earlier, who will we cut? We have 15 guaranteed contracts, so we have to cut ... or trade ... someone while worrying about venturing into the luxury tax -- we do have to think about not starving Les' family and pets.

    We certainly can't count on ol' Moneyball. He is the one who screwed us in the first place. Also, I'm looking forward to the end of JVG, a brilliant defensive strategist who is unwilling to develop young talent unless forced by circumstances to do so.
     
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    although this site is great, there are way too many quitters here...most fan websites support the team and hope they win and 50% of the people on this thread are hoping for the lottery next year...last I checked, we were 4 or 5 games over .500.....why the hell would we quit? ....once you amke the playoffs, anyting can happen...Yao is out only 6 weeks..not for the season (which he could have been)..this is why Houston is such a bandwagon city..for alll of their sports teams...as soon as the rockets start winning, all you quitters will be cheering them on, which to me is pathetic...you shouls support your team until they are officially eliminated...thats what a true fan does....they don't hope for losses and the lottery half way (not even) into the season.....I will continue to attend games (as I have been a season ticket holder fo many years) and cheer them on to win and get into the playoffs.....and when they make the playoffs, i'll be holding the door open for all of you to jump back on the bandwagon....but I can say that I never jumped off where as you know where you stood when times weren't good.....there is nothig worse than a Bandwagon fan..you might as well not even be fan of the team....
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Lighten up. It's not like people want the Rockets to lose because they hate them or are renouncing them to give up their season tickets. It's the opposite.

    Why rush Yao back (and risk further injury - ever had a broken leg? Six weeks is a pipe dream) for only a faint chance at the playoffs?

    We'll see where you stand when the least-talented team in the NBA and a flagging, diminished McGrady get through the next 10 games. I'm thinking it won't be pretty.
     
  14. sirbaihu

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    Tank? WTF?????????????

    The season is only a third of the way over. No offense, but the idea of tanking now is ridiculous and by definition not a winning attitude.

    For anyone in favor of tanking, I've got a better idea: switch "loyalites" to the Spurs and whoever the hell is winning in the other sports.

    The concept of starting to tank now, or ever for that matter, is disgusting. Obviously it is for losers.

    Loser --> "winner" = tank

    Or, if you do like the alchemical theory of turning losers into "winners" like lead into gold, how about dropping your tank dreams out of respect for the Rockets who will actually be on the court in Yao and Tracy's absence. Telling Battier, Alston, Head, Hayes, Juwan, Bonzi and the rest to tank is a huge diss to them. WTF kind of Rockets fans are you tankers? Why not take your "Start tanking" signs to the next home game and watch Bonzi come up into the stands and bizzitch slap you.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Recognizing that without Yao and Tracy (and possibly even with the latter) we have one of the worst teams in the NBA = reality.

    Yao is injured, Tracy is injured (and chronically so). Thinking of possibilities beyond mediocrity and 2007 = realistic.
     
  16. sirbaihu

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    But we are not "without" Yao and Tracy. Every other team in the NBA is without them. We have them (just ask Les who is paying their salaries) but they are injured. They will be back in time for the playoffs. And the Rox will be in the playoffs.

    Repeat: the Rox will make the playoffs.

    The day the Rox start tanking is the day they don't deserve to have fans following them. I paid almost $200 for NBA League Pass to catch every one of their games. If they start tanking then they can send me a reimbursement check too. I'll pay to watch the end of the Rox bench try to win, but I have no interest in watching a bunch of grown men try to be losers.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Look, the power of positive thinking is great, but this was a 50-55 win team with everybody healthy, though it had serious flaws (depth being the major one).

    With them not healthy, then it's not - and the two cornerstones have both spent a LOT of time on the bench the last two seasons. I wouldn't mind adding another cornerstone for insurance purposes. I'm sick of going through this every year - and it's not like they're getting any younger or less injury prone.
     
  18. sirbaihu

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    I agree with you there. I wish we had just one more high-caliber player. But I don't think I'm just using "positive thinking" here. You really believe the Rox are not going to make the playoffs??

    I think if the Rox can win 40% with Yao out--which they will, because this year's team is much deeper than last year's and T-Mac will contribute during Yao's absence--they will still make the playoffs.

    I still have no doubt that the Rox will make the playoffs. You really believe the season is already shot?
     
  19. SLrocket

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    yaos gonna miss 20-30 games right? so we should be able to go 15-15 or 10-10 over that time period. we are capable. and maybe on draft day we trade picks with NY. tmac for kevin durant. but please, no TANKING!
     
  20. Danbury

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    Tanking at this point is just stupid.
     

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